Dreger: Bergevin and Botterill in trade discussions?

[Spearmint Rhino]

Jason Botterill was interviewed just a few days ago and SAID HE IS TAKING CALLS, NOT MAKING THEM ON ROR. What don't you understand...……..

We don't have to move him. There is no cap crunch here in Buffalo. He isn't a pending UFA. There is literally no reason to move ROR short of a QUALITY OFFER that Botterill would accept, which IS NOT QUANTITY FOR QUALITY, BUT QUALITY FOR QUALITY.

My lord, once again, Botterill isn't calling your GM, he is taking a call FROM your GM.

This just in

GMs lie

 

[Yatzhee]

3rd overall to Isles for two firsts.

Then...

11th pick + 2nd round pick for ROR.

lol, those 2nd round picks won't get you anywhere. Botterill has already expressed what he's wanted. Either high end, NHL or near NHL ready draft pick or Richards package.
It comes down to this honestly, Botterill is in the drivers seat, and no GM is going to sway that. ROR is 5 years in his prime a very valuable center given his skill sets. It'll take one hell of an offer asset wise to convince Botterill to move him. Quantity and a boat load of draft picks that are crap shoots don't get it done.

 

[AvatarAang]

This just in

GMs lie

Yea he must have gotten so upset at all the Subban trade proposals.

"MY LORD ONCE AGAIN, Bergevin said subban is not going to bed traded guys just stop"

 

[Yatzhee]

This just in

GMs lie

This just in, many don't believe for one second Botterill is lying. He won't move ROR unless he gets WHAT HE WANTS. Very simple, he DOESN'T HAVE TO MOVE ROR.

So, the incentive needs to move Botterill to trade ROR. 2nd round picks and quantity offers aren't even stirring his bowels to be honest. Botterill knows full well the position he's in. He helped build the Pittsburg Penguins, he's by no means a rookie at this.

 

[haseoke39]

Pacioretty + Lekhonen + 35OA for ROR + 32OA is fair considering Pacioretty's contract situation.

There's a lot of "fair" going around that f***s Buffalo.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

There's a lot of "fair" going around that ****s Buffalo.

it's probably what's being delt right now.
Be sure there is going to be a package tomorrow around Lehky+Pacy + for ROR +

if the price is right, Mtl is stealing.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Jason Botterill was interviewed just a few days ago and SAID HE IS TAKING CALLS, NOT MAKING THEM ON ROR. What don't you understand...……..

We don't have to move him. There is no cap crunch here in Buffalo. He isn't a pending UFA. There is literally no reason to move ROR short of a QUALITY OFFER that Botterill would accept, which IS NOT QUANTITY FOR QUALITY, BUT QUALITY FOR QUALITY.

My lord, once again, Botterill isn't calling your GM, he is taking a call FROM your GM.

These are the posts I like to look back at when or if a trade happens, to chuckle at. Whether you are right or wrong, its always funny to look back at how you react to things.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Pacioretty + Lekhonen + 35OA for ROR + 32OA is fair considering Pacioretty's contract situation.

How is this fair for Buffalo? Do you really imagine that Bergervin can pull this off? There isn't even a winger in the trade to turn into a centre.

 

[Yatzhee]

These are the posts I like to look back at when or if a trade happens, to chuckle at. Whether you are right or wrong, its always funny to look back at how you react to things.

Perfect, because while I sit here in the sun, soaking down a beer playing frisbee with my pooch, I love to dramatize to fire up the crowd. It's what I do

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

This just in, many don't believe for one second Botterill is lying. He won't move ROR unless he gets WHAT HE WANTS. Very simple, he DOESN'T HAVE TO MOVE ROR.

So, the incentive needs to move Botterill to trade ROR. 2nd round picks and quantity offers aren't even stirring his bowels to be honest. Botterill knows full well the position he's in. He helped build the Pittsburg Penguins, he's by no means a rookie at this.

He's not a rookie, a rookie would probably tell the truth at all times which isn't how you prop up value. Sabres want to make an attitude change, ROR is possibly one of those people in the mix associated with that change and there's an incentive to do something before his next bonus is paid out.

Our GM said he wasn't shopping Subban which we know was BS, last week he said he expect Pacs back next season, again BS
Any GM comes out stinking of desperation is an idiot, ask Dorion

 

[AvatarAang]

This just in, many don't believe for one second Botterill is lying. He won't move ROR unless he gets WHAT HE WANTS. Very simple, he DOESN'T HAVE TO MOVE ROR.

So, the incentive needs to move Botterill to trade ROR. 2nd round picks and quantity offers aren't even stirring his bowels to be honest. Botterill knows full well the position he's in. He helped build the Pittsburg Penguins, he's by no means a rookie at this.

You're getting mad at people for offering 2nd round picks yet you're asking for 3rd overall. Obviously the return is somewhere in the middle but your logic is terrible.

Do you actually think there is a GM who is making trades where he doesnt get WHAT HE WANTS?

Are GM's held at gunpoint that make them trade away players, or is it just Botts that DOESN'T HAVE TO MOVE players on his team?

Your garbage logic is the same reason why Tanev is wasting away on the canucks. Nucks homers saying Benning doesn't have to trade Tanev unless he gets WHAT HE WANTS? That Benning DOESN'T HAVE TO MOVE him. Now he's barely worth a 1st.

 

[Yatzhee]

You're getting mad at people for offering 2nd round picks yet you're asking for 3rd overall. Obviously the return is somewhere in the middle but your logic is terrible.

Do you actually think there is a GM who is making trades where he doesnt get WHAT HE WANTS?

Are GM's held at gunpoint that make them trade away players, or is it just Botts that DOESN'T HAVE TO MOVE players on his team?

Your garbage logic is the same reason why Tanev is wasting away on the canucks. Nucks homers saying Benning doesn't have to trade Tanev unless he gets WHAT HE WANTS? That Benning DOESN'T HAVE TO MOVE him. Now he's barely worth a 1st.

I'm not getting angry or mad at all. I use caps to emphasis, or the statement to standout so those I am conversing with to digest the relativeness of the information.

Your garbage statement is just that, garbage. If you can't handle the opinion, move past it.

 

[Doublechin]

If Bergevin gives up the 3rd for a second liner, I'm done as aHabs fan. Done. ROR is worth a 8-12th pick and a decent prospect, think Josh brook from the Habs. Top 5 picks aren't traded for second liners, ever.

 

[haseoke39]

If Bergevin gives up the 3rd for a second liner, I'm done as aHabs fan. Done. ROR is worth a 8-12th pick and a decent prospect, think Josh brook from the Habs. Top 5 picks aren't traded for second liners, ever.

He's a top 20 center in the NHL.

The definitive ranking of the NHL's top 23 centres over three seasons - Sportsnet.ca

and from the year before

Ranking the top 20 centres in the NHL, by the numbers - Sportsnet.ca

 

[punkr0x]

If Bergevin gives up the 3rd for a second liner, I'm done as aHabs fan. Done. ROR is worth a 8-12th pick and a decent prospect, think Josh brook from the Habs. Top 5 picks aren't traded for second liners, ever.

Technically wouldnt RoR be your 1st line center though?

 

[Doublechin]

Technically wouldnt RoR be your 1st line center though?

On the Habs and a couple bad teams he'd be a first line center.

 

[ole ole]

I can easily see Max Pacioretty + 2018 2nd + Lindgren . Buf would jump at that.

 

[ole ole]

This post I sort of agree with, but MTL's path forward is anything but clear with the moves they have made. IMO, next year is the year when you draft a C. 2019 will have a ton of them. This is the year when you take the BPA.

This is what i hope the Habs do.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

I don't think he's a #1 either. Just because he would be in Montreal, as in Buffalo, doesn't make him an actual #1 center. He's a #2. A Kesler type.

He’s a top 20 center, that’s a #1 to me

 

[normaliswear]

I can easily see Max Pacioretty + 2018 2nd + Lindgren . Buf would jump at that.

Lol... unless you mean jump to hang up the phone, no... no they wouldnt.

 

[EdAVSfan]

it's probably what's being delt right now.
Be sure there is going to be a package tomorrow around Lehky+Pacy + for ROR +

if the price is right, Mtl is stealing.

I’m trying to remeber the last time Montreal stole something.

 

[Yatzhee]

I’m trying to remeber the last time Montreal stole something.

Their about to steal Ryan O'Reilly...………..for the 2018 3rd OA draft pick

 

[ole ole]

Question Habs fans would rnh+10 for patches+3 work for you?

No.

 

[ole ole]

Buffalo would take Tkachuk at 3 imo.

Doesn't matter since they don't and won't have the 3rd OA pick.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

If Botterill takes Buffalo's biggest trade chip and turns it into a 30yr old Max Pacioretty and a coupe 2nds, I will lose faith in him faster than I did with Tim Murray...

If Buffalo trades ROR, it has to be a win for them.

Even more so if you are trading ROR to a direct division rival, with a head coach who runs a system absolutely perfect for ROR.

Tell me where Claude Julien is going to find an available center that plays a style closer to Patrice Bergeron than ROR...

ROR is exactly the type of center Julien needs for his system to function properly. Why in the world would you help out a division rival unless the offer was too good to refuse?

Please don't screw this up Botterill. I want to feel like Buffalo has a good, competent GM for once.

It's hard to know what to expect. I thought the Scandella trade was fantastic. And the Kane trade was 'meh' at best (but it was supposedly his only offer, so I'd like to give him the briefing of the doubt).
So Botterill's next big trade will be quite filling in my eyes.