Player Discussion Ben Chiarot: Ram Tough (Part 2)

[salbutera]

We’re six weeks from deadline, yet posters want to bubble wrap players for several months without any knowledge of actual offers.

There is no D asset available at this deadline that meets Chiarot’s traits the market seems to be seeking - size & grit combo + recently proven 23TOI+ top pairing playoff performance w/o sheltered minutes + expiring very affordable AAV + 30–years of age vs others who are 35+

Those characteristics combined w significant # of suitors who view themselves as contenders (Avs, Cgy, NYR, Leafs, Fla + others) gives rise to strong potential for the winner of the sweepstakes to overbid

 

[BLONG7]

You cant protect a healthy player for two months waiting for the trade deadline. Its a nice thought but not logical either

Deadline is 5 weeks away.......not two months.
Glad he is not out longer...dodged a bullet here guys.....

 

[The Great Weal]

People are acting like he’s gone for the season. They might even be keeping him there longer as a safety precaution.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

People are acting like he’s gone for the season. They might even be keeping him there longer as a safety precaution.

Pretty much

 

[Schwang]

And if the offers are bad?

A first has been talked about for months now

 

[Scintillating10]

I said three weeks trade Chiarot, get a first and run. A first is good return on Chiarot.

Claim Tinordi when he was on waivers. Get some size and toughness in front of your net. If we going to lose, better to lose with toughness. That way teams can come in and embarrass us.

I get the opinion management hasn't changed a bit. Same as Bergevin no common sense.

Trying to squeeze an extra fee games out of Chiarot. He's the better player but season is toast. Makes no sense.

 

[MilesNewton]

Just move him for whatever value he has now. Habs don't exactly have luck on their side.

 

[eklund the clown]

Just move him for whatever value he has now. Habs don't exactly have luck on their side.

Been saying this for weeks and what happens he gets hurt.Why push their luck?He is a UFA . Players with term left is no problem waiting

 

[Runner77]

There has to be a good reason as to why they haven’t moved him yet. Difficult to judge without knowing on what basis they’ve been negotiating.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Lets compare McDonagh to Chiarot in many different areas because I feel they are both physical types.

McDonagh (Age 32) Vs Chiarot (Age 30): Stats this year with Chiarot not playing with Weber. This is why Chiarot is getting a lot of attention. He's providing McDonagh value where some other fans think he is just some fringe top 4D and belongs on the bottom pairing. Nonsense

18 pts with 2 goals in 47 games
vs
11 pts with 5 goals in 47 games

43% Corsi for with 67% of D zone starts
vs
42% Corsi for with 66% of D zone starts

23:02 min a game
vs
23:20 min a game

3:08 min a game on the PK
vs
3:06 min a game on the PK

3.49 hits/60
vs
5.46 hits/60

4.59 blocks/60
vs
4.32 blocks/60

0.72 giveaways/60
vs
2.67 giveaways/60

0.83 takeaways/60
vs
0.76 takeaways/60​

 

[salbutera]

Lets compare McDonagh to Chiarot in many different areas because I feel they are both physical types.

McDonagh (Age 32) Vs Chiarot (Age 30): Stats this year with Chiarot not playing with Weber. This is why Chiarot is getting a lot of attention. He's providing McDonagh value where some other fans think he is just some fringe top 4D and belongs on the bottom pairing. Nonsense

18 pts with 2 goals in 47 games
vs
11 pts with 5 goals in 47 games

43% Corsi for with 67% of D zone starts
vs
42% Corsi for with 66% of D zone starts

23:02 min a game
vs
23:20 min a game

3:08 min a game on the PK
vs
3:06 min a game on the PK

3.49 hits/60
vs
5.46 hits/60

4.59 blocks/60
vs
4.32 blocks/60

0.72 giveaways/60
vs
2.67 giveaways/60

0.83 takeaways/60
vs
0.76 takeaways/60​

McDonagh’s cap hit is 92% higher also…

 

[Doc5]

Lets compare McDonagh to Chiarot in many different areas because I feel they are both physical types.

McDonagh (Age 32) Vs Chiarot (Age 30): Stats this year with Chiarot not playing with Weber. This is why Chiarot is getting a lot of attention. He's providing McDonagh value where some other fans think he is just some fringe top 4D and belongs on the bottom pairing. Nonsense

18 pts with 2 goals in 47 games
vs
11 pts with 5 goals in 47 games

43% Corsi for with 67% of D zone starts
vs
42% Corsi for with 66% of D zone starts

23:02 min a game
vs
23:20 min a game

3:08 min a game on the PK
vs
3:06 min a game on the PK

3.49 hits/60
vs
5.46 hits/60

4.59 blocks/60
vs
4.32 blocks/60

0.72 giveaways/60
vs
2.67 giveaways/60

0.83 takeaways/60
vs
0.76 takeaways/60​

Higher is better right

Thanks for the breakdown though, it was nice to see.

 

[Habs Halifax]

McDonagh’s cap hit is 92% higher also…

Yes and a 50% retention on Chiarot is $1.75M.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Higher is better right

Thanks for the breakdown though, it was nice to see.

Many people who actually know hockey and watch the games where they are not obsessed with points, know why Chiarot is a valuable playoff asset. Definitely a player you want to play with vs against.

Some will focus on his giveaways/60 vs McDonagh but if they do, here is some more context compared to others...

* Trouba is at 1.91 giveaways/60
* Klingberg is at 3.11 giveaways/60
* Ekblad is at 3.02 giveaways/60
* Muzzin is at 2.92 giveaways/60
* Provorov is at 2.72 giveaways/60

 

[salbutera]

Many people who actually know hockey and watch the games where they are not obsessed with points, know why Chiarot is a valuable playoff asset. Definitely a player you want to play with vs against.

Some will focus on his giveaways/60 vs McDonagh but if they do, here is some more context compared to others...

* Trouba is at 1.91 giveaways/60
* Klingberg is at 3.11 giveaways/60
* Ekblad is at 3.02 giveaways/60
* Muzzin is at 2.92 giveaways/60
* Provorov is at 2.72 giveaways/60

I’ve always felt Chiarot’s deal should mirror the Muzzin trade - 3-components including 1st + two prospects including a grade B / B+

 

[Habs Halifax]

I’ve always felt Chiarot’s deal should mirror the Muzzin trade - 3-components including 1st + two prospects including a grade B / B+

Muzzin was not trending as well when he was traded but he also game with one extra year of term I believe. But yeah, Chiarot should return something close. Maybe a 1st and grade B+ where it's 2 pieces vs 3.

 

[morhilane]

There has to be a good reason as to why they haven’t moved him yet. Difficult to judge without knowing on what basis they’ve been negotiating.

The more teams wait to trade, the more they accrue cap space for said trade at the TDL.

 

[sampollock]

ben must be on the the fig radar... but the fig #1 pick is a high 2nd round...

make the fig pay

 

[ahmedou]

 

[26Mats]

Pretty much

Glad to hear this

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I’ve always felt Chiarot’s deal should mirror the Muzzin trade - 3-components including 1st + two prospects including a grade B / B+

Muzzin is admittedly the better player. I think a return similar to what Toffoli got. Still annoyed that was all we got for Tofu.

 

[frapp10]

He quietly has 7 points in his last 6 games. Heating up at the perfect time

 

[the]

Glad that we didn't sit him like some posters suggested but it's time to move him now. He's at peak value.

 

[japhi]

Chiarot is the player that proved that most of the player takes here are BS. The board consensus we he is a plug. I won’t forget the cringy takes.

Great player, who is only getting better.

 

[Luigi Habs]

He’s a great 2nd pairing. Can’t wait to see the return.