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It's simply a joke that the nhlpa is whining they are the ones giving when their salary went up over a million from CBa to CBa.
Utter ,complete ****ing farse.
Utter ,complete ****ing farse.
Yet, the NHLPA hasn't moved off their figure once and the NHL has moved numerous times on both the revenue split AND the revenue sharing aspects of the deal.
And the owners are being unreasonable? I have no sympathy for these clowns on the NHLPA side.
Both sides are in the same boat and want the other to take the hit, and the owners have much more ground to stand on than the players because they are the ones who have investing billions of dollars in their own capitol to make it so these players can make millions to play a game.
It's a huge paycut. Last time I checked, most people, no matter how much money they make don't wilfully throw money into the storm drain.
It's a huge paycut. Last time I checked, most people, no matter how much money they make don't wilfully throw money into the storm drain.
Yep, but ppl want to flip out on the players. We need all need to be patient and ignore the rhetoric.
I wonder if the players will outright accept a 50/50 split of HRR - with the teeny weeny tiny small little aside that HRR still needs to be defined. Seems like maybe the only way to grab back some public image. Just say "Yep. Deal looks great. We love it. Let's play hockey......just as soon as the NHLPA and the Owners can decide on a definition of HRR, of course". That definition is really the crux of the issue, isn't it? It's not about two versus three year ELCs, it's not about capping contracts at 5 years, and it's not about back diving contracts. All of that is just smoke screens. It's like gay marriage debate in the presidential election. All these guys care about is how they get to slice up that pie.
The NHL didn't make a serious offer until yesterday. Fehr waited them out, now we will see if the owners or players are greedy.
Or maybe common sense will prevail. Maybe.
That would describe most negotiations....but once again we are back at the issue that the NHLPA has refused to negotiate on these economic issues.
These players are just ridiculously stupid.
Basically deciding that they are going to give up $2B (or $2.5M avg per player) in salaries in order to save $200M (or $300K avg per player). People in the financial industry are cringing at this terrible logic.
It is in everyone's best interest to get a deal done for the Nov. 2nd start date. If these players can't see this than Donald Fehr's has basically stole money in the form of his $8M salary from the players.
I hope the owners don't wait to long when the Nov. 2nd date goes by to cancel the whole season.
I see that you are one of the PA shrills buying into the fact that the NHL owners, who by all PUBLIC reports/accounts are not making enough profits to run a sustainable business, asking the millionaire NHL players make $300K less is "draconian."
You might get your wish.
I hope both sides find a deal they can work with and have lasting labour peace.
I like my wish better than yours.
Why do you want a year-long lock-out anyway?
A supposed good character kid, is just a spoiled millionaire kid...the players would do well to just be quiet, they are coming off as an uneducated crowd...
I, personally, am disgusted enough with these players that I don't see myself really enjoying their performances as much. I think I would take just about as much satisfaction from them being told to shove it, I'll watch the minors, and wait until Sochi to get my next look at them.
You might get your wish.
I hope both sides find a deal they can work with and have lasting labour peace.
I like my wish better than yours.
Why do you want a year-long lock-out anyway?
You have a lot to learn about how to negotiate fruitfully.
I guess you would of taken the league's second offer because Uncle Gary told you it wasn't going to get any better.
Yet, the NHLPA hasn't moved off their figure once and the NHL has moved numerous times on both the revenue split AND the revenue sharing aspects of the deal.
And the owners are being unreasonable? I have no sympathy for these clowns on the NHLPA side.
Both sides are in the same boat and want the other to take the hit, and the owners have much more ground to stand on than the players because they are the ones who have investing billions of dollars in their own capitol to make it so these players can make millions to play a game.
You might get your wish.
I hope both sides find a deal they can work with and have lasting labour peace.
I like my wish better than yours.
Why do you want a year-long lock-out anyway?
I vote for (Don Fehr) The Reaper for the next thread name
Cause these players are idiots. They are idiots when they speak to the media. They are idiots when they post on twitter. They are idiots when they try to tell us "they just want to play." They lack any real knowledge of economics. They lead a coup and fired Paul Kelly for no reason other than he was willing to engage in talks when they weren't negotiating with the NHL brass in order to keep things friendly rather than keep things antagonist like they were and are now. They willingly put Donald Fehr in charge. They are willing to blindly follow him and refuse to make up their own individual minds on these proposals.
All in all, **** the players. They make millions of dollars to play a game. They don't take any financial risk and are set for life solely because they are good at a sport, that I and all of us love and most of us pay money to play. They are unwilling to take a paycut when in real life many of us normal humans have had to either take a paycut or have been layed off because our companies are losing money.
Most importantly, many of them can't seem to understand the difference between revenues and profits and that really pisses me off.
Dude I laugh every time I see you post just because for someone that hates the players so much your username says different Make up your mind man!
As for the owners investing billions and are the ones losing money well you are sadly mistaking. Sure they are losing money on the actual team but they are making double that amount because they own the team in the first place. Take Florida for example sure we can all agree they are losing money on the team right? But because they also control the arena which most owners do they are making a killing right now that they would not have made if not for the NHL team. So don't go passing the hat just yet. I really don't think you need to be failing bad for the owners at all.