OT: Bears & NFL Talk 89 - Nagy & Pace fired!
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It’s amazing to see people compare Kyle Murray to Lamar Jackson but say josh Allen is different, literally the entire point of my comment is this. White qbs can read defenses, black qbs are just runners that can’t play the position
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Russell Wilson can definitely read a defense, so could Cam Newton and if you go back far enough, McNabb and Culpepper.
Trubisky can't read a defense and neither could Allen during his first 2 seasons. And then there were others who just sucked like Bortles and Ponder.
Being able to read a defense is the single most important aspect of being a QB in the NFL.
There are QBs who just suck and most of it comes down to that.
If people want to rail on Murray and Jackson a fair criticism is that QBs don't last long in the NFL unless they eventually pick their spots to run and avoid contact. Both are shortish and skinny, and the NFL is a large man's game. This is what killed Newton's career. He was built like a tank and it didn't matter.
They have to evolve a Russell Wilson type game to have a long career.
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BK
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Ok I dont disagree (taking the L on Murray (I am)).
I still don’t think he meant to be racist.
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This thread is two steps away from another debate about thighs
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Shitty passers don't throw for 4000 yds as a rookie and win NFL MVP.
Cam's career was derailed by injury, no doubt in my mind. He didn't adapt the way he needed to, quickly enough.
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There's so much more to it than blanket pass yards. What was his completion percentage? About 60% and his Yards per catch? Over 13 which is quite high. Meaning he through deep a lot.
Fields has a high Y/catch too this year, higher than anyone in Nagys offenses because he's good at the deep game. But if all he becomes is a guy who can just hit deep passes and can run at times, they won't have sustained great success.
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That's quite a stretch there super chief.
I see people talking only about Kyler Murray and Lamar Jackson. Are they talking about Russell Wilson too?
And Josh Allen IS different. The fact that Lamar Jackson isn't a solid pocket passer has nothing to do with white or black. It has to due with reality.
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You are really extrapolating.
Trubisky is white. He can't read a defense, but can run. Fields is black, he's struggled to read a defense, but can run.
Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady are white and can read defenses better than anyone who has ever played the game. Baker Mayfield is white but can't read a D for shit. Neither can Jared Goff.
this started because someone said qbs like Lamar Jackson and kyler Murray can’t win, it 100% has to do with race because the biggest thing those two guys have in common is their skin color.
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Bears blog dude said his interview went horrible and they asked why they traded for Wentz in February rather than waiting for free agency and draft.
Put stock into whatever you want.
Josh Allen completes a lower percentage of his passes for shorter distances and run mores but yes it’s josh Allen that is the pocket passer, kyler is just an athlete playing qb, got it
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Aren't you the same guy who made fun of Aqib Talib because of "how he talked" in the booth coming from a Muslim background and growing up in Texas most of his life? Yea you might want to sit this one out "super chief".
I rarely agree with @Illinihockey but he is right on the money here.
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The Bears are taking Bill Polians advice already
Signed Lamar Jackson but to be a DB.
Signed Lamar Jackson but to be a DB.
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Lamar Jackson has been hurt, but the knock on him is he cant' read a D and be a real pocket passer. Won't win the big trophy if he can't. That is accurate.
Murray has shown flashes of brilliance. He also trailed off considerably at the end of the season. He was dreadful in the game the other night. The pick 6 from the end zone was the worst decision you'll EVER see a QB make. Lots of expectations on him. Until he wins when it matters, he can't win.
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Defending Aqib Talib's broadcasting is a weird hill to die on.
You know who else thought he was terrible? Everyone on the planet.
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