Blue Jays Discussion: Baseball is back. Yay Controversy.

[Throw More Waffles]

Apparently the reaching out part isn't reviewable, the purposeful slide out of the basepath/through the base is reviewable.

They know they screwed up.
Damage control.

What are they supposed to say? "Jose's interference was not reviewable, so the Jays probably would have won if we didn't screw up. Oh well..."

 

[Canada4Gold]

I still don't see why the fourth part of the rule wouldn't apply here

However, if someone is going to tell me that even if Jose didn't grab the leg that there would be a chance he was out because he didn't stay on the bag that is ridiculous. That part of the rule is pretty clear defined to prevent players from blowing up defenders who are behind the bag and vulnerable at the time of the throw. If no one is there Jose should be able to slide as far as he wants.

I figured that part would be there to prevent a player from coming in sliding 20 mph going 10 feet past the base potentially creating a violent collision. Basically to avoid injury

However Jose was within reach of the base at the conclusion of his slide, which is IMO the purpose of the rule, a normal slide, he could have touched the base, but he was out so it's not really logical that he should be required to, as long as he can, thus slowing him down to prevent the volent collision

as for the 4th part of the rule. It appeared to me he was on the left side of the base for his entire slide. He might have turned a little upon contacted the base, whether that's from him trying to break up the throw or plain physics having the body turn when the base impeded his body I don't know.

The only part that clearly moved in my books was his hand, and I'll concede that he stuck it out for that purpose. But I think that minimal contact should be allowed.

He broke rule 3 and I don't agree with it that rule forcing the player to actually stay on the base when he's already out, but I don't make the rules so whatever. I have to live with it.

 

[theaub]

I figured that part would be there to prevent a player from coming in sliding 20 mph going 10 feet past the base potentially creating a violent collision. Basically to avoid injury

However Jose was within reach of the base at the conclusion of his slide, which is IMO the purpose of the rule, a normal slide, he could have touched the base, but he was out so it's not really logical that he should be required to, as long as he can, thus slowing him down to prevent the volent collision

as for the 4th part of the rule. It appeared to me he was on the left side of the base for his entire slide. He might have turned a little upon contacted the base, whether that's from him trying to break up the throw or plain physics having the body turn when the base impeded his body I don't know.

The only part that clearly moved in my books was his hand, and I'll concede that he stuck it out for that purpose. But I think that minimal contact should be allowed.

He broke rule 3 and I don't agree with it that rule forcing the player to actually stay on the base when he's already out, but I don't make the rules so whatever. I have to live with it.

Unfortunately the rulebook does a bad job (ie no job) of defining pathway. Is it only where he is sliding (in which case its legal), or does it include any voluntary movements he makes while sliding (in which case its probably illegal).

If rule 3 had anything to do with this call I'm already done with this rule. It can go to the same place where the 'bounce a tenth an inch off the bag on a steal with the tag still on' replay should go.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Unfortunately the rulebook does a bad job (ie no job) of defining pathway. Is it only where he is sliding (in which case its legal), or does it include any voluntary movements he makes while sliding (in which case its probably illegal).

If rule 3 had anything to do with this call I'm already done with this rule. It can go to the same place where the 'bounce a tenth an inch off the bag on a steal with the tag still on' replay should go.

rule 3 basically was the call. See this Shi tweet



The first part, deliberate interference, isn't even reviewable, might as well throw that out. Which just leaves rule 3. So EE was out because Jose broke rule 3.

As for the come a tenth of an inch off the bag, I guess I'm the only one who doesn't hate that rule. The bag is a players safe, if he doesn't want to be out then I'd suggest the novel idea of not coming off of it. But that's another argument altogether.

 

[PuckMagi]

They know they screwed up.
Damage control.

What are they supposed to say? "Jose's interference was not reviewable, so the Jays probably would have won if we didn't screw up. Oh well..."

Well that really puts the icing on the cake doesn't it.

I'm actually pretty surprised with how quickly that all went down. For some plays, they spend like 10 minutes reviewing it to make sure they get the call right. Seems like they rushed it and really screwed it up for some reason.

 

[Swervin81]

The suckiest thing is as a result of not only the loss, but the way it went down, probably the most important thing in this whole game will be forgotten:

7 innings, 8 K's, 0 BB's, 1 ER.

 

[stavs*]

damn sydergaard was throwing 95 slider today.

 

[SDig14]

Oh well. Tough way to lose, but I have a feeling we will see the offense break out a bit tomorrow and get us a series win.

8-3 win.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

damn sydergaard was throwing 95 slider today.

This will never die will it .. ?

 

[King Mapes]

The suckiest thing is as a result of not only the loss, but the way it went down, probably the most important thing in this whole game will be forgotten:

7 innings, 8 K's, 0 BB's, 1 ER.

Ya he was filthy. When he has good control he is virtually untouchable. I hope this is a sign of things to come.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

This will never die will it .. ?

It will, just like the angst about not resigning Price died.

 

[teeder333*]

Bautista was the whole offence for us, but in the end, he blew it for us. That was just outrageously silly what he did with his hand, he definitely gave the guy a little quick catch and release. So dumb.

Maybe Forsythe would have blown the throw anyways, but we will never know. Kind of thing that can come back to haunt you at the end of the season.

E.E. looked pretty cold tonight, swung at some poor pitches. He could have easily won the game for us. I hope to god he is not going to tank on us for not resigning him before the season.

 

[King Mapes]

Bautista was the whole offence for us, but in the end, he blew it for us. That was just outrageously silly what he did with his hand, he definitely gave the guy a little quick catch and release. So dumb.

Maybe Forsythe would have blown the throw anyways, but we will never know. Kind of thing that can come back to haunt you at the end of the season.

E.E. looked pretty cold tonight, swung at some poor pitches. He could have easily won the game for us. I hope to god he is not going to tank on us for not resigning him before the season.

Keep in mind he is a notoriously slow starter typically and missed Spring Training. He'll be fine.

 

[stavs*]

This will never die will it .. ?

of course, but the kid is going to be unbelievable

https://mobile.twitter.com/FSKansasCity/status/717506288473628676

 

[Swervin81]

Bautista was the whole offence for us, but in the end, he blew it for us. That was just outrageously silly what he did with his hand, he definitely gave the guy a little quick catch and release. So dumb.

Maybe Forsythe would have blown the throw anyways, but we will never know. Kind of thing that can come back to haunt you at the end of the season.

E.E. looked pretty cold tonight, swung at some poor pitches. He could have easily won the game for us. I hope to god he is not going to tank on us for not resigning him before the season.

Edwin has always been pretty bad in April.

 

[zeke]

Stupid move by Joey, but then again if he doesn't do it we lose anyways.

But I'm too stoked about Sanchez' dominance and command to be upset about this game. That's a much more important development than the loss.

 

[EpochLink]

Barf, what a bad call.

 

[Sokil]

Which makes no sense. Why would he sit on the bag after he's out?

for fun!

 

[Sokil]

Apparently, the league ruled that it was criteria #3 that Bautista failed. They're saying he made no attempt to stay on the bag.

where did they say this?

the box only says "slide interference" was reviewed

 

[zeke]

if someone made that slide on us to give their team the lead we'd be crying bloody murder.

 

[JS19]

That was a ******** call, but it's baseball, teams are bound to get umpballed from time to time.

Now Aaron Sanchez

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

This will never die will it .. ?

syndergaard is a very, very, good pitcher

travis d'arnaud ain't half bad either

 

[Edo]

if someone made that slide on us to give their team the lead we'd be crying bloody murder.

Pretty much. Attempting to destroy the 2nd baseman to break up double plays was always something that irked me. The slide was clearly interference.

 

[theaub]

As for the come a tenth of an inch off the bag, I guess I'm the only one who doesn't hate that rule. The bag is a players safe, if he doesn't want to be out then I'd suggest the novel idea of not coming off of it. But that's another argument altogether.

Considering he was already out before he started his slide I don't think that really applies here.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Jose interfered with the slide and his hand. Stupid move. Cost them the game.