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Strawman's are fun.
If you are arguing that Noah has been better over 3 games, then you are right.
Strawman's are fun.
Career as SP
Stro: 27gs, 6.3ip/gs, 81era-, 77fip-, 3.7fwar, 4.1ra9war
Noah: 27gs, 6.3ip/gs, 80era-, 77fip-, 4.2fwar, 3.6ra9war
Last 10 starts
Stro: 7.3ip/gs, 70era-, 77fip-
Noah: 6.4ip/gs, 75era-, 70fip-
And again, Stro is doing this in the toughest offensive division in baseball, Noah in the easiest.
He's no Vincent Velazquez, though.
And Dexter Fowler is the best player in baseball.
If you are arguing that Noah has been better over 3 games, then you are right.
He's no Vincent Velazquez, though.
And Dexter Fowler is the best player in baseball.
You're really cherry-picking absurd stats to try to make them appear "close".
There isn't a single person in baseball who would take Stroman over Syndergaard. The raw peripherals show you all you need to know. Go compare their xFIP's (in order to normalize Syndergaard's obviously fluke HR rate from last season) or their SIERA's.
Your point about competition is almost moot. Syndergaard is pin-pointing a ~98 mph fastball and a ~92mph slider: do you really think it matters who he's pitching against? When you're pitching with that type of stuff, it becomes pointless to discuss whether X-opponent is slightly better than Y-opponent. He's a generational talent. He's striking out 13.05 per nine and walking 1.80 per nine. That is absolutely absurd.
I am arguing that Syndergaard has been trending up and past Stroman steadily for a while now
Syndergaard is pin-pointing a ~98 mph fastball and a ~92mph slider: do you really think it matters who he's pitching against? When you're pitching with that type of stuff, it becomes pointless to discuss whether X-opponent is slightly better than Y-opponent. He's a generational talent.
as for fluke, noah's HR numbers were an issue in both AA (1.3hr/9) and AAA (0.7), too, which is not surprising from a guy with a limited arsenal
and of course, Stroman's pure stuff is second to none.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/marcus-stromans-absurd-set-of-pitch-comps/
"At the heart of all this: an absolutely dream-worthy repertoire. Look at it this way, and you’d think Marcus Stroman is a guy we made up. I can assure you, he’s very much real."
Sanchez and Syndergaard were incredibly close, with Sanchez a touch higher.
Norris was higher than all of them IIRC
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/marcus-stromans-absurd-set-of-pitch-comps/
"At the heart of all this: an absolutely dream-worthy repertoire. Look at it this way, and you’d think Marcus Stroman is a guy we made up. I can assure you, he’s very much real."
Stroman was giving up 1.13 and 1.05 HR/9 in AA in 2012 and then 2013. His MLB rates have been well below that.
You think its not surprising for a guy with CONTROL of a 99 mph fastball and an unhittable breaking ball to be giving up more HRs than MLB average? Use some common sense. As you see this season; 0 homeruns in 20 innings. This is what is to be expected from a pitcher who strikes out 10-13 batters per 9 innings and who posses otherworldly stuff on the mound.
Dont make me laugh. There is no comparison stuff-wise between Syndergaard and Stroman.
I think it's fair to say Stroman is a #1 starter who you can put at the front of your rotation, but he's not elite, like a David Price for example..
Unfortunately, that report has not held true for Stroman. He's striking out 5.06 per 9 this season. Last year in limited action it was 6.00 per 9. Even in 2014 he was "only" striking out 7.65 per 9.
Does that sound like a "made up" pitcher to you with second to none stuff LOL? He's clearly very good, but you're trying to tell me that a Lexus is the same thing as a Bugatti.
I always feel the need to preface these kinds of things because people are looking to jump on arguments people aren't making, so: I'm not saying that Stroman is better. I don't believe he's better. But...
When that pitcher openly states that he's trying to generate weak, groundball contact, and subsequently generates an elite rate of weak, groundball contact... yes. I would say his stuff has been remarkably effective.
His swinging strike rate will never be crazy like Syndergaard's, but I expect Stroman would get a lot more swinging strikes if he threw pitches outside the strikezone as frequently as Syndergaard does. He would also throw a lot more pitches.
The K rate is a good place to look.