Speculation: Barrie to Toronto

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The deal that makes sense is...

TO TOR
- Barrie (extended for 7 mil x 6)
- Jost

TO COL
- Nylander
- Kadri

The Leafs replace Nylander's money with a top-paring, or top-4 at the very least, defenseman who they have for the duration. Barrie also makes the PP more potent. In the process, the Leafs get a younger, cheaper C in Jost to replace Kadri. On a team like Toronto, Jost would thrive IMO. This leaves the Leafs a couple extra million of wiggle room to get more term on a huge Marner deal. This is quality asset management for the Leafs while rounding out their team for the better.

The Avs add serious offensive depth in this deal and have the cap room to do so, thanks to MacKinnon's and Landeskog's contracts, as well as the little money players like Makar and Girard will be making for what they contribute. They will still have money to pay Rantanen comfortably. This move gives the Avs two serious offensive lines and Makar + Byram can more than replace Barrie. Again, great asset management for them as well.

It's win-win trade.

 

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Is Barrie better than Hainsey, Holl, Dermott, Zaitsev?

Is a Land Rover better than a Kia?

 

[Fogelhund]

Is a Land Rover better than a Kia?

My question was mostly rhetorical to @FerrisRox who seems to think that adding Barrie wouldn't improve the team over those guys.

 

[EdAVSfan]

The deal that makes sense is...

TO TOR
- Barrie (extended for 7 mil x 6)
- Jost

TO COL
- Nylander
- Kadri

The Leafs replace Nylander's money with a top-paring, or top-4 at the very least, defenseman who they have for the duration. Barrie also makes the PP more potent. In the process, the Leafs get a younger, cheaper C in Jost to replace Kadri. On a team like Toronto, Jost would thrive IMO. This leaves the Leafs a couple extra million of wiggle room to get more term on a huge Marner deal. This is quality asset management for the Leafs while rounding out their team for the better.

The Avs add serious offensive depth in this deal and have the cap room to do so, thanks to MacKinnon's and Landeskog's contracts, as well as the little money players like Makar and Girard will be making for what they contribute. They will still have money to pay Rantanen comfortably. This move gives the Avs two serious offensive lines and Makar + Byram can more than replace Barrie. Again, great asset management for them as well.

It's win-win trade.

 

[EdAVSfan]

The deal that makes sense is...

TO TOR
- Barrie (extended for 7 mil x 6)
- Jost

TO COL
- Nylander
- Kadri

The Leafs replace Nylander's money with a top-paring, or top-4 at the very least, defenseman who they have for the duration. Barrie also makes the PP more potent. In the process, the Leafs get a younger, cheaper C in Jost to replace Kadri. On a team like Toronto, Jost would thrive IMO. This leaves the Leafs a couple extra million of wiggle room to get more term on a huge Marner deal. This is quality asset management for the Leafs while rounding out their team for the better.

The Avs add serious offensive depth in this deal and have the cap room to do so, thanks to MacKinnon's and Landeskog's contracts, as well as the little money players like Makar and Girard will be making for what they contribute. They will still have money to pay Rantanen comfortably. This move gives the Avs two serious offensive lines and Makar + Byram can more than replace Barrie. Again, great asset management for them as well.

It's win-win trade.

If Barrie is signing that contract, he’s not being traded.

You’re likely looking more in the 8-9 range.

 

[FerrisRox]

Is Barrie better than Hainsey, Holl, Dermott, Zaitsev?

The goal shouldn't be to go from lousy to decent. That's just spinning your tires. And when you have almost no cap space, every dollar counts, so using up some of those dollars for slight upgrades is pointless.

If you have a gaping chest wound and you can buy a Band-aid for $1.00 or get stitches for $100, sure the Band-aid is better than just holding your finger over the wound, but it doesn't really do much to solve the problem.

The Leafs replacing Gardiner isn't moving the needle. Their defense wasn't nearly good enough *with* him so replacing him with a similar quality player puts them back where they started.

 

[FerrisRox]

My question was mostly rhetorical to @FerrisRox who seems to think that adding Barrie wouldn't improve the team over those guys.

I never said any such thing.

 

[axlrose87]

The deal that makes sense is...

TO TOR
- Barrie (extended for 7 mil x 6)
- Jost

TO COL
- Nylander
- Kadri

The Leafs replace Nylander's money with a top-paring, or top-4 at the very least, defenseman who they have for the duration. Barrie also makes the PP more potent. In the process, the Leafs get a younger, cheaper C in Jost to replace Kadri. On a team like Toronto, Jost would thrive IMO. This leaves the Leafs a couple extra million of wiggle room to get more term on a huge Marner deal. This is quality asset management for the Leafs while rounding out their team for the better.

The Avs add serious offensive depth in this deal and have the cap room to do so, thanks to MacKinnon's and Landeskog's contracts, as well as the little money players like Makar and Girard will be making for what they contribute. They will still have money to pay Rantanen comfortably. This move gives the Avs two serious offensive lines and Makar + Byram can more than replace Barrie. Again, great asset management for them as well.

It's win-win trade.

Not for Toronto

 

[Danvalanche]

The deal that makes sense is...

TO TOR
- Barrie (extended for 7 mil x 6)
- Jost

TO COL
- Nylander
- Kadri

The Leafs replace Nylander's money with a top-paring, or top-4 at the very least, defenseman who they have for the duration. Barrie also makes the PP more potent. In the process, the Leafs get a younger, cheaper C in Jost to replace Kadri. On a team like Toronto, Jost would thrive IMO. This leaves the Leafs a couple extra million of wiggle room to get more term on a huge Marner deal. This is quality asset management for the Leafs while rounding out their team for the better.

The Avs add serious offensive depth in this deal and have the cap room to do so, thanks to MacKinnon's and Landeskog's contracts, as well as the little money players like Makar and Girard will be making for what they contribute. They will still have money to pay Rantanen comfortably. This move gives the Avs two serious offensive lines and Makar + Byram can more than replace Barrie. Again, great asset management for them as well.

It's win-win trade.

This might just work.

 

[Fogelhund]

The goal shouldn't be to go from lousy to decent. That's just spinning your tires. And when you have almost no cap space, every dollar counts, so using up some of those dollars for slight upgrades is pointless.

If you have a gaping chest wound and you can buy a Band-aid for $1.00 or get stitches for $100, sure the Band-aid is better than just holding your finger over the wound, but it doesn't really do much to solve the problem.

The Leafs replacing Gardiner isn't moving the needle. Their defense wasn't nearly good enough *with* him so replacing him with a similar quality player puts them back where they started.

..and yet, going from lousy to even worse shouldn't be the goal either.

No to Barrie? How about we just stick with this instead... looks great.

Reilly Holl
Muzzin Zaitsev
Rosen Liljegren

Or we can try and improve on THAT.

If Barrie is the BEST that you can do, to fix that, you do it. If there are better fits, you do that instead.

 

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Not for Toronto

Yeah, ok. If Barrie was willing to extend for an affordable amount, Dubas would be brain dead to not jump on a deal to acquire a good, young C and a top D for two luxuries he has on the team now.

But this is the type of video game, fantasy hockey thinking that exists around here, where "names" are the only thing taken into consideration.

The Leafs are loaded up front if they sign Marner and make this trade. Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Johnsson, Jost, Brown, etc. is plenty of offensive weaponry to go to war with.... plenty. Yet, have you seen the Leafs stinkin D core? Outside of Morgan Rielly, it's average at the absolute best. Barrie alone is more valuable to the Leafs than Nylander without question. And Jost is a less experienced, but cheaper option than Kadri.

But sure, keep playing fantasy hockey and be cap-strapped with a huge Marner contract, then get bounced in the playoffs because the D is sub par overall. That's the key to success.

 

[Liferleafer]

Avs should keep Barrie, he sounds like he's pretty good.

 

[Lemonlimey]

The deal that makes sense is...

TO TOR
- Barrie (extended for 7 mil x 6)
- Jost

TO COL
- Nylander
- Kadri

The Leafs replace Nylander's money with a top-paring, or top-4 at the very least, defenseman who they have for the duration. Barrie also makes the PP more potent. In the process, the Leafs get a younger, cheaper C in Jost to replace Kadri. On a team like Toronto, Jost would thrive IMO. This leaves the Leafs a couple extra million of wiggle room to get more term on a huge Marner deal. This is quality asset management for the Leafs while rounding out their team for the better.

The Avs add serious offensive depth in this deal and have the cap room to do so, thanks to MacKinnon's and Landeskog's contracts, as well as the little money players like Makar and Girard will be making for what they contribute. They will still have money to pay Rantanen comfortably. This move gives the Avs two serious offensive lines and Makar + Byram can more than replace Barrie. Again, great asset management for them as well.

It's win-win trade.

This does make a lot of sense. With Jost’s slow start in the NHL his next contract’s low cost would offset Barrie’s big raise. And Avs get an answer for their second line while Mack is in his prime.

Toronto ends up with greater value should Jost take the next step. But Sakic’s desire is flipping Barrie for a scoring forward now.

 

[garyturner3]

This does make a lot of sense. With Jost’s slow start in the NHL his next contract’s low cost would offset Barrie’s big raise. And Avs get an answer for their second line while Mack is in his prime.

Toronto ends up with greater value should Jost take the next step. But Sakic’s desire is flipping Barrie for a scoring forward now.

Agreed. I don't hate this trade assuming Barrie would re-up at a reasonable cost. Solid proposal IMO.

 

[untouchable21]

Is Barrie the type of Dman that they need? Great offensive player and skater, but he is smallish, and play in his own end is not his forte.

Yeah, how much different is he than Gardiner? I know they’re not exactly the same, but you’d think that they’d be looking at someone a little better defensively. Not saying they need to target an offensive black hole, but just someone a little more reliable.

Not to mention that Barrie will be in the same situation Gardiner is in at this time next year, looking for a huge pay day.

 

[Spilot23]

Avs should keep Barrie, he sounds like he's pretty good.

I would like to keep him but I'm just afraid of his contract demands. After having Makar and now Timmins started skating on the Avs camp. Trading Barrie would make sense if he's asking around 8M$-9M$ unless Avs somehow trade EJ before and signs Barrie. Top 4 would look something like that Girard-Makar Zadorov-Barrie/EJ switch Byram with Zads if the kid is NHL ready.

 

[gabeliscious]

This does make a lot of sense. With Jost’s slow start in the NHL his next contract’s low cost would offset Barrie’s big raise. And Avs get an answer for their second line while Mack is in his prime.

Toronto ends up with greater value should Jost take the next step. But Sakic’s desire is flipping Barrie for a scoring forward now.

I dunno. Nylander or kadri for barrie extended i can understand but the kadri or nylander for jost doesnt work for me.

 

[flying v 604]

No chance.

I don't buy this for a second. Barrie is a ufa next year, who has made it known to Sakic he wants to play for his hometown. In a bubble vacuum Barrie is worth more than Nylander, but being a rental I doubt the teturn will be over the top ATM. Im sure he'll fetch a haul at the TDL to a team that needs what he brings for a chance st a cup run.

 

[FerrisRox]

..and yet, going from lousy to even worse shouldn't be the goal either.

No to Barrie? How about we just stick with this instead... looks great.

Reilly Holl
Muzzin Zaitsev
Rosen Liljegren

Or we can try and improve on THAT.

If Barrie is the BEST that you can do, to fix that, you do it. If there are better fits, you do that instead.

When did I ever suggest they should stick with what they have? What's the point of having a conversation if you are going to manufacture the other side of the conversation and pretend that I've said things I haven't?

 

[flying v 604]

The deal that makes sense is...

TO TOR
- Barrie (extended for 7 mil x 6)
- Jost

TO COL
- Nylander
- Kadri

The Leafs replace Nylander's money with a top-paring, or top-4 at the very least, defenseman who they have for the duration. Barrie also makes the PP more potent. In the process, the Leafs get a younger, cheaper C in Jost to replace Kadri. On a team like Toronto, Jost would thrive IMO. This leaves the Leafs a couple extra million of wiggle room to get more term on a huge Marner deal. This is quality asset management for the Leafs while rounding out their team for the better.

The Avs add serious offensive depth in this deal and have the cap room to do so, thanks to MacKinnon's and Landeskog's contracts, as well as the little money players like Makar and Girard will be making for what they contribute. They will still have money to pay Rantanen comfortably. This move gives the Avs two serious offensive lines and Makar + Byram can more than replace Barrie. Again, great asset management for them as well.

It's win-win trade.

Barrie will be a Nuck, either through trade or as a ufa next year. Barrie has never left BC and has made it known he'd prefer to sign with Van next summer.

 

[Goulet17]

Barrie will be a Nuck, either through trade or as a ufa next year. Barrie has never left BC and has made it known he'd prefer to sign with Van next summer.

If Vancouver pays him big bucks. He is represented by Newport, and, as Friedman recently pointed out, Newport clients are not taking discounts.

 

[axlrose87]

Yeah, ok. If Barrie was willing to extend for an affordable amount, Dubas would be brain dead to not jump on a deal to acquire a good, young C and a top D for two luxuries he has on the team now.

But this is the type of video game, fantasy hockey thinking that exists around here, where "names" are the only thing taken into consideration.

The Leafs are loaded up front if they sign Marner and make this trade. Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Johnsson, Jost, Brown, etc. is plenty of offensive weaponry to go to war with.... plenty. Yet, have you seen the Leafs stinkin D core? Outside of Morgan Rielly, it's average at the absolute best. Barrie alone is more valuable to the Leafs than Nylander without question. And Jost is a less experienced, but cheaper option than Kadri.

But sure, keep playing fantasy hockey and be cap-strapped with a huge Marner contract, then get bounced in the playoffs because the D is sub par overall. That's the key to success.

This is not a good deal for Toronto

 

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has made it known he'd prefer to sign with Van next summer.

Oh he told you that? When or who did Barrie made it known what team he wants to sign with as a free agent NEXT summer?

So, he's under contact with the Avalance and telling the world where he wants to play next year? Never heard it.

 

[Jozay]

Berger makes stuff up.

I dont think the Leafs have the future cap space to keep Barrie, so I dont see a deal happening.

 

[Liferleafer]

Barrie to Toronto? About an hour and a half depending on traffic.