Have we ever considered that Greg Sherman might be trying to make sure Sacco doesn't make the playoffs so that he's given permission to fire Sacco in the summer? Thus the hardline on ROR and clogging Barrie and co.'s path into the NHL with ****** defenders?
I'm asking for the mob to come down upon me by defending my point, so I'll once again point out that I don't really agree with sending him down, or not playing him.
Your point makes sense too, most of the Avs D aren't playing that well defensively either, and there's no reason Hunwick should be playing over Barrie.
I really do think that style he was playing couldn't be sustained though, and you could see in his last couple games it was starting to catch up to him a bit. He wasn't as successful in his transition game, and he was starting to get burned defensively.
I'm surprised they sent him down, but I think SOB has been playing better, and EJ and Wilson are back now, and with Hejduk apparently close to returning it's either keep 8 D and only one extra forward, or send down vet guys like Hunwick, Zanon, or O'Byrne on one way deals.
I have a feeling a trade will happen soon involving one of the D, and open up a spot for him soon, so maybe it's better that he's playing, rather than continuing to sit in the box like Sacco seems to love to do.
Have we ever considered that Greg Sherman might be trying to make sure Sacco doesn't make the playoffs so that he's given permission to fire Sacco in the summer? Thus the hardline on ROR and clogging Barrie and co.'s path into the NHL with ****** defenders?
God I hope so. As far as his defensive play goes, it's clear his one-on-one play needs work, but he appeared to be improving. I won't hold some shaky play against Patricks Sharp and Kane against him too much.
As Jibblescribbits tries to illustrate, his defensive play may be a bit suspect, but he more than made up for it by improving the Avs' possession #s by a healthy margin.
http://www.jibblescribbits.com/2013...roster-move-proving-they-are-nincompoops.html
On the opposite end, Ryan O'Byrne more or less ruins them.
And having so many forwards who actually pay attention to defense allowed Barrie to cheat a little more than usual. He certainly picks better spots to pinch than O'Brien or Hejda, the latter of whom might be the worst in the league in that regard.
Seriously, I hope this is precipitating a trade of one of the pylons, because we are right back to the same defense that simply didn't work to start the season. And much as I think having O'Reilly back changes that dynamic significantly, he can't make up for an abhorrent lack of skill on the blueline.
Have we ever considered that Greg Sherman might be trying to make sure Sacco doesn't make the playoffs so that he's given permission to fire Sacco in the summer? Thus the hardline on ROR and clogging Barrie and co.'s path into the NHL with ****** defenders?
Have we ever considered that Greg Sherman might be trying to make sure Sacco doesn't make the playoffs so that he's given permission to fire Sacco in the summer? Thus the hardline on ROR and clogging Barrie and co.'s path into the NHL with ****** defenders?
Have we ever considered that Greg Sherman might be trying to make sure Sacco doesn't make the playoffs so that he's given permission to fire Sacco in the summer? Thus the hardline on ROR and clogging Barrie and co.'s path into the NHL with ****** defenders?
I guess a very small bright side is that Hejduk will probably be off IR and playing soon...
Problem is 7 Ds, 5 of which are #6 defenseman on every other team (or nearly) and all of which have one way contracts. So I guess sherman had a choice to make. Olver, Bordeleau (which i think is two way... correct me if im wrong) or Barrie. Evidently he wants Barrie playing top minutes which he wasn't doing from the press box.
Sadly, at some point, you have to learn to play against NHL competition. Playing awesomely against undeveloped talent (the young 1st and 2nd year players) and long-shots (AHL vets) isn't the way to get better against NHL talent. Barrie is clearly a NHL caliber player and too good to be in the AHL at this point. I think this is the biggest issue I have with what's happening.
Welcome to the world of politics in professional sports.
Barrie on two way contract, making 900K, since he is not waiver eligible can easily be moved to the minors without fear of losing the player.
On the other hand Hunwick, O'Bryne, Zanon, and O'Brien are all on one way contracts all making at least 1M, are waiver eligible and management doesn't want a player making 2M playing in Lake Erie.
Its a pretty simple equation if you ask me. Unfortunately its the wrong decision as Barrie is far superior to all of the above mentioned dmen. And those blaming Sacco need to direct their attention to management for signing all of these bozo pylon dmen "ahead of" Barrie on the charts. With 7 NHL dmen contracts its impossible for a AHL young gun rookie to make the team, no matter how good the player has been.
I stubbornly claim that puck retrieval is a more valuable defenseman skill than hitting is.
Still dont make it right imo. If you suck you should sit if your playing well you should play. Inexcusable how guys like ROB, Hunwick and to a lesser extent Zanon( been bench last few games) are allowed to make mistakes time and again and cost us games and no accountability is put on them. in Sacco's first yr he talked about holding players accountable yadda yadd yadda remember him benching Chris Stewart and stew playing a game in LE that season? Accountability is not something i hear from stupid Joe anymore.
Bold statement to make, because you said puck retrieval instead of zone breakout which is what Tippet was alluding to.
Tippett:
"We had a player that was supposed to be a great, shut-down defenseman. He was supposedly the be-all, end-all of defensemen. But when you did a 10-game analysis of him, you found out he was defending all the time because he can't move the puck.
Then we had another guy, who supposedly couldn't defend a lick. Well, he was defending only 20 percent of the time because he's making good plays out of our end. He may not be the strongest defender, but he's only doing it 20 percent of the time. So the equation works out better the other way. I ended up trading the other defenseman."
I stubbornly claim that puck retrieval is a more valuable defenseman skill than hitting is.
Puck retrieval and first pass/skating the puck out are closely related.
O'Byrne is much worse at puck retrieval than passing, but because he is so terrible at puck retrieval he's almost always under pressure when trying to pass so he struggles in that area too.
Disagree very much on that first statement. Just because one can get to the puck first and/or win the battle along the boards does not get them out of the zone. Sticking with your O'Byrne reference...
The number of times last night I saw O'Byrne win the battle (puck retrieval) but proceed to fail to skate it out or pass it out (pretty sure he had like 3 attempts blocked in a row, winning the battle, passing, failing, winning battle, rinse wash repeat) were beyond mind blowing.
One can be very good at the first pass/skating aspect (Liles) or very good at the puck retrieval, which is mostly boards play in my opinion (O'Byrne) and still be mediocre in their own zone.
It's the defenders that can do both that are good defensive players (Hejda) or the players which can use their partner effectively to exit the zone (Hannan) which earn the title of being a top defensive defender (aside from other attributes of course).
So O'Byrne's ability to hit and win battles along the boards might be solid mostly due to his size and his play in the crease is good when he's not sharing the bottle with Jones, but his overall ability to exit the zone is non-existent because he can't even use his partner effectively.