Babcock

[TML Dynasty]

Our 4th line players aren’t actually 4th line players. Plus it’s an opportunity to coach them. Development. Also giving guys who are under-performing or struggling to find the net a bone with extra scoring opportunities in the hopes that scoring will raise their confidence and boost team morale.

Also you could do it when players from the second line are playing poorly, to send a message.

Or if it’s late and the team is up huge generally you want to keep the star players off the ice to avoid unnecessary wear-and-tear or injury.

Also sometimes players are gassed and need a break. That’s why you ice 12 forwards to begin with...

I dunno probably missing more reasons.

Hope you’re less clueless now.

Ennis is absolutely a 4th line player....or a 5th.

I don’t want to ruin a power play opportunity by using it as a tool to develop people who shouldn’t be on the pp

He also did this earlier in the game when we really needed the goal so it wasn’t after we had thrown in the towel.

More frustrated than clueless...thanks for being a complete prick though.....

 

[Joedoggy]

Some people know how to discredit ,threaten, alienate, belittle plus a few other things to keep you in line playing hockey. The question is how long can you continue to do so before no one listens.

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

One line team does it again. But we are good at one thing actually the best. Icings. How does a team with his much supposed skill lead the league in icings. We have enough talent to run 2 of Bostons top lines but we are better playing short handed at 5 vs 5 by throwing gud pros out there where pucks go to die

Zaitsev is good for a half dozen a game.

 

[Mickey Marner]

We have a coach that thinks that Hyman is a #1 forward.

Still hasn't scored a 5v5 goal this season. 22 5v5 goals in his career while spending ~75% of his ice time with an elite center. He'd be a great 3rd/4th liner, but man is he ever brutal at scoring.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Still hasn't scored a 5v5 goal this season. 22 5v5 goals in his career while spending ~75% of his ice time with an elite center. He'd be a great 3rd/4th liner, but man is he ever brutal at scoring.

I would have no problems with him if he was just a 3rd or 4th line pk specialist but the way Babs is using him makes me dislike him and Babs. His skill set is of a 3rd or 4th liner. To be honest, I like Brown's skill set better. He should be with JT and Marner, if Babs insists on having a plug with them.

 

[Al14]

I would have no problems with him if he was just a 3rd or 4th line pk specialist but the way Babs is using him makes me dislike him and Babs. His skill set is of a 3rd or 4th liner. To be honest, I like Brown's skill set better. He should be with JT and Marner, if Babs insists on having a plug with them.

Exactly, I feel the same way!

 

[hector morrison]

Still hasn't scored a 5v5 goal this season. 22 5v5 goals in his career while spending ~75% of his ice time with an elite center. He'd be a great 3rd/4th liner, but man is he ever brutal at scoring.

this is my biggest/main criticism of Babs...It just seems so plainly obvious how wrong it is to have a no talent winger trying to compliment theLikes of JT and Marner. The game last night should of made it clear that 3 skilled forwards are better than 2.

 

[Mr Hockey]

this is my biggest/main criticism of Babs...It just seems so plainly obvious how wrong it is to have no talent winger trying to compliment the likes of JT and Marner. The game last night should have made it clear that 3 skilled forwards are better than 2.

Can you post your 4 lines, I'm curious?

 

[ITM]

this is my biggest/main criticism of Babs...It just seems so plainly obvious how wrong it is to have a no talent winger trying to compliment theLikes of JT and Marner. The game last night should of made it clear that 3 skilled forwards are better than 2.

When the line you're covering is Pastrnak-Bergeron-Marchand, if you don't have a player like those three in terms of grit and skill, you've got to attempt to balance out what skill and grit you have. Tavares is a combination of grit and skill...Can you imagine if he signed in Boston!? Obviously, Marner is all skill and "questionable" grit. So, the options are...until we reasonably arrive at Hyman. That's no faux pas on the part of the coach, that's addressing an imbalance of power in our lineup to maximize efficiency against a better forward group iced against us last night.

The Bruins' first line isn't only a skill line. They're a gritty, pay the price, top three top first line in the league. We are what we are at the moment, and placing Marleau on Tavares' other side, or Kapanen, wasn't going to have the ideal effect that but for this or that move (with last night's line up) wished for...With Matthews and Nylander in the lineup, we present a top six of such skill saturation that the Bruins would have be the ones struggling to offset the obvious disparity.

 

[socko]

I hate Babcock. That is all.

 

[34]

I hate Babcock. That is all.

Babcock is an acquired taste lol.

Good coach, but Stubborn.

 

[Al14]

I hate Babcock. That is all.

I don't hate Babcock, however, I really, really, really, dislike some of his coaching strategies, especially those regarding player personnel usage!

 

[PromisedLand]

This is what pisses me off about babcock not only does his love of plugs overshadow everything

last night (and in Game 7) when the Leafs are down 3 goals here is what happened

• In the 2nd period Leafs are down 3 goals 10 mins into the 2nd period; babcock remains status-quo with his lines doesn't do anything to change it up. Leafs score a goal late in the second period

• Leafs start the third down 2 goals; then Leafs get scored on again are trailing the game babcock still does not change his lines remains status-quo

• 13 mins into the third period, he makes "one" change. Flips Kapenen and Marner; while still running his PLUGS like hyman on JT line. Hyman continues to kill any offensive momentum but keeps getting rewarded with ice-time. AND Leafs are still trailing in the game;

Quite frankly it is arrogance and in-ability to make any in game adjustments.

 

[Mr Hockey]

someone actually made a meme about you guys lol

 

[PromisedLand]

Please someone explain to me the purpose of putting 4th line players on our second power play unit?? There is absolutely no defense for that move....it’s borderline insane! Wtf Babcock?!?

here is the thing IMO

if babcock wants to split the PP time between two units then he shoudn't stack a PP unit. Go with:

PP1
Tavares-Marner-Johnsson (kadri's high slot)-Marleau-Rielly

PP2
Kadri-Kapanen-Leivo-XXX (screen)-Gardiner
(one Matthews is back get Leivo out)


and if he is stacking a PP unit then that PP unit should play at minimum 1 min 30 seconds on the PP

it is that simple

 

[frizzer1]

13 mins into the third period, he makes "one" change. Flips Kapenen and Marner; while still running his PLUGS like hyman on JT line. Hyman continues to kill any offensive momentum but keeps getting rewarded with ice-time. AND Leafs are still trailing in the game;

Quite frankly it is arrogance and in-ability to make any in game adjustments.

In game 7 against the bruins ,when down in the third period, babcock refused to play matthews with marner. Hyman stayed..
This coach refuses to adapt...it is so frustrating to me that Hyman is still on the top line that i am having trouble watching them play.
Maybe I will take a break from this team.....not worth the aggravation..

 

[PromisedLand]

In game 7 against the bruins ,when down in the third period, babcock refused to play matthews with marner. Hyman stayed..
This coach refuses to adapt...it is so frustrating to me that Hyman is still on the top line that i am having trouble watching them play.
Maybe I will take a break from this team.....not worth the aggravation..

yup that pissed me off too. hyman gets "undeserved" ice-time and eventually players are gonna have enough of that BS. Nylander chronicles IMO in part is due to the BS from babcock

 

[Mr Hockey]

yup that pissed me off too. hyman gets "undeserved" ice-time and eventually players are gonna have enough of that BS. Nylander chronicles IMO in part is due to the BS from babcock

So who should replace Hyman on the Line, Levio, Johnsson, Ennis?

 

[PromisedLand]

So who should replace Hyman on the Line, Levio, Johnsson, Ennis?

I'd rather Brown play there than Hyman. At least Brown has some skill and a decent shot

Brown-Tavares-Kapanen
Marleau-Kadri-Marner
Johnsson-Lindholm-Hyman
Ennis-Goat-Leivo


hell I'd even put Leivo there with Tavares-Kapanen/Marner. Leivo is better than Hyman in terms of winning the board battles and can make plays


When Matthews is back

Brown-Tavares-Marner
Lindholm-Matthews-Kapanen
Marleau-Kadri-Leivo
Johnsson-Goat-Hyman

Also, Hyman should never every play LW, he is useless. He should always play RW; he is not skilled enough to play on his off wing

 

[mallory67]

Babcock is a genius! Best coach in the league.
Wait, we lost last night in Beantown?
Get rid of him ... Babcock is a disaster.

 

[PromisedLand]

I have a feeling babcock lobbied hard to get hyman signed; and now babcock is trying to justify why hyman is "good" by forcing him in to the roles that he is not suited to play.

hyman on PP is absolutely DUMB

 

[thewave]

I have a feeling babcock lobbied hard to get hyman signed; and now babcock is trying to justify why hyman is "good" by forcing him in to the roles that he is not suited to play.

hyman on PP is absolutely DUMB

That's what Babcock does. He plays NHL MMORPG...

"He wants everyone to play the same. If you're me, I have a certain role on the team and it's easier to do it. If you're more of a skill guy, you could have problems with him" -Roman Polak

 

[PromisedLand]

That's what Babcock does. He plays NHL MMORPG...

"He wants everyone to play the same. If you're me, I have a certain role on the team and it's easier to do it. If you're more of a skill guy, you could have problems with him" -Roman Polak

no wonder that stacked detroit team after reaching the cup finals twice didn't get out of the 2nd round of playoffs.....

what a f***ing joke. no matter how many trips like the arizona trip to "talk" to matthews this coach takes to speak to his players if he is not going to adapt to modern NHL won't be long till matthews is requesting a trade and tavares too

 

[IPS]

That's what Babcock does. He plays NHL MMORPG...

"He wants everyone to play the same. If you're me, I have a certain role on the team and it's easier to do it. If you're more of a skill guy, you could have problems with him" -Roman Polak

If we could get Hyman and Komarov on record being 100% truthful, everything would be crystal clear.

 

[IPS]

I have a feeling babcock lobbied hard to get hyman signed; and now babcock is trying to justify why hyman is "good" by forcing him in to the roles that he is not suited to play.

hyman on PP is absolutely DUMB

Every coach lobbies to a certain degree to keep players they like in town. Babcock keeps a very keen sight on who he lobbies for. He's more interested in promoting his brand rather then maximizing the team's potential. One really has to listen in on what Polak's quote really means, and he's not the only player who's said these things about Babcock.