Rumor: AVS Proposals/Rumors/Free Agents & Related Topics 2016-17 Part XVI
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What would the plus be from NJ to move up from 4 to 1?
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John Quenneville (drafted 30th 2014)
A second (35 oa) and your third back (63 oa)
Michael McLeod (drafted 12 last year)
What is a realistic plus to move up from 4 to 1?
Personally I like the draft pick idea. Avs can move down a couple spots and still draft a really good player plus get 2 more picks that are at or near the start of the round - one in the second and one in the third. Devils can hopefully draft the #1C they really need with the top pick.
Ideas...
John Quenneville (drafted 30th 2014)
A second (35 oa) and your third back (63 oa)
Michael McLeod (drafted 12 last year)
What is a realistic plus to move up from 4 to 1?
Personally I like the draft pick idea. Avs can move down a couple spots and still draft a really good player plus get 2 more picks that are at or near the start of the round - one in the second and one in the third. Devils can hopefully draft the #1C they really need with the top pick.
Thepoolmaster
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Would probably require more than all 4 of those combined and even then I don't know if they should make that make that trade.
The drop off appears to be pretty big between 1 and 4.
I would think the Avs would look at
1 for 4 + 2018 1st + ?
But someone who knows the Devils better than me would probably have more opinions.
Cousin Eddie
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You'd have to combine all those pieces you just talked about and then keep going. I know you're thinking "you're insane" but that's going to be the case in this situation. The Avs are in the process of trying to move Duchene for a top young D. They have young D coming up through as prospects (many more than forwards) and they lack depth up front. Consider the hole left when Duchene goes and the fact that they have a possible future #1C in Patrick/Hischier sitting right in front of them and why would they ever trade that opportunity to move down all for a package of lesser (yet very good) pieces.
As I said earlier. The Avs are likely going into this draft drooling about the possibility to add a future #1C to their team. If you want them to move down and draft a defenseman instead you would be giving up a stupid overpayment that would not be worth it. It wont happen.
landy92mack29
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Avs are the team that needs Patrick the most and he's a perfect fit so it'd take a ridiculous overpay. 1 for 4+2018 1st+Mcleod. Also Avs would take the leftover of Tippett/Vilardi
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Yea moving up to number one in a draft always costs way more than you would expect. The value difference between #1 and #2 overall is even a big difference. That being said, most people on here expect us to be picking fourth anyways with the way everything has gone wrong this year
falconski
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Pretty sure the avs wouldn't be willing to pay what it costs to move from 4 to 1
On the off chance we win the lottery, the drop off from two to three this year essentially means you'd have to add something that hurts
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/4/25/4262594/nhl-draft-pick-value-trading-up
Here's a link with a draft value chart from the flyers sbnation page. Not that I agree 100%, but moving up from 4 to 1 would require in addition at least the 6 pick or picks/players with that kind of value. Heck moving up from 2 to 1 would cost another mid 1st. Add in the fact that the perception is this year's class is fairly weak would make me less inclined to take a risk and move down.
Here's a link with a draft value chart from the flyers sbnation page. Not that I agree 100%, but moving up from 4 to 1 would require in addition at least the 6 pick or picks/players with that kind of value. Heck moving up from 2 to 1 would cost another mid 1st. Add in the fact that the perception is this year's class is fairly weak would make me less inclined to take a risk and move down.
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I hope not. I don't see a huge gap between guys like Hischier/Patrick compared to Mittlestadt who should be available at 4.
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agentblack
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I don't hate it. I'll be the only one that says we need assets and depth more than stars
That being said I'd think Zacha would have to be added instead of one of MM or JQ
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Nah. The top two are in a class of their own, then IMO Vilardi and Mittelstadt are the next tier, and after that it gets murky with Tippett, Liljegren, Tolvanen, Rasmussen, etc. Worst case we get one of the second tier guys, and I'm a fan of both of them so I wouldn't be in a hurry to trade up considering the cost.
Avs can't trade 1/2. It's just too clear cut. 3/4, maybe. I have no idea how the rest of their (or anybody else's) board goes. If they've got Mittelstadt, Vilardi, Tippett, and Liljegren about the same, they might not mind taking the last guy and picking up another asset.
agentblack
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Idk if there's any year or time to do it, this draft is it. Next year i could see absolutely not but there arent any lights out cant misses this year. And if some GM came at us with a top 5er and 3 more above avg assets id seriously consider it. Id probably chicken out when its all said and done cause like Balthazar said nobody trades a no. 1 pick. Its just not done.
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IMO if the Avs don't pick top 2, you either trade the pick for the defensive help needed and keep Duchene and Lando....or you trade down with the pick and go for quantity to round out the system.
In a draft that seems to rank 3-15 in a scattershot order and 15-35ish in another scatter shot, trade down if the return is good.
In a draft that seems to rank 3-15 in a scattershot order and 15-35ish in another scatter shot, trade down if the return is good.
Not saying the Yotes would do it but it might be something they consider.... if the Avs managed to win the lotto would you do the following?
Avs:
Ekman-Larsson
Yotes:
1st Overall (Patrick)
Barrie
Bigras
(throw in a few extras if that is what it takes)
Then turn around and do
Avs:
Faulk
Teravainen (RFA)
Cains 2nd Round Pick 2018 (Conditional to 2018 1st if Cains make playoffs)
Cains B tier prospect (not sure who that would be)
Cains:
Duchene
Grigorenko (RFA)
Teravainen-Mac-Rant
Lando-Soda-Oshie
Comeau-Jost-UFA
Nieto-Compher-Colburne
EL-EJ
Zadorov-Faulk
FB-UFA/prospect
Kick tires on Thorton or Marleau if they possibly would consider 1-2 year deals. Oshie would make a more realistic option, net him on a 3-4 year deal as the 2nd line RW.
If you manage to get super lucky and get Thorton on the right deal its not a concern, but the biggest question mark would be finding a 2nd/3rd line center as you let Jost mature. Maybe that is Soda, though you hope and pray that Vegas might do the Avs a solid and take him -- unlikely. If Soda is still around, you hope that Jost can take the 2nd line center job sooner than later.
Beyond that you look to UFA for a D partner for FB -- someone with some wheels -- and a 3rd line winger to help the 2 way game. A 7th/8th D man and a 4th line depth center is also in the cards on one year deals.
Avs:
Ekman-Larsson
Yotes:
1st Overall (Patrick)
Barrie
Bigras
(throw in a few extras if that is what it takes)
Then turn around and do
Avs:
Faulk
Teravainen (RFA)
Cains 2nd Round Pick 2018 (Conditional to 2018 1st if Cains make playoffs)
Cains B tier prospect (not sure who that would be)
Cains:
Duchene
Grigorenko (RFA)
Teravainen-Mac-Rant
Lando-Soda-Oshie
Comeau-Jost-UFA
Nieto-Compher-Colburne
EL-EJ
Zadorov-Faulk
FB-UFA/prospect
Kick tires on Thorton or Marleau if they possibly would consider 1-2 year deals. Oshie would make a more realistic option, net him on a 3-4 year deal as the 2nd line RW.
If you manage to get super lucky and get Thorton on the right deal its not a concern, but the biggest question mark would be finding a 2nd/3rd line center as you let Jost mature. Maybe that is Soda, though you hope and pray that Vegas might do the Avs a solid and take him -- unlikely. If Soda is still around, you hope that Jost can take the 2nd line center job sooner than later.
Beyond that you look to UFA for a D partner for FB -- someone with some wheels -- and a 3rd line winger to help the 2 way game. A 7th/8th D man and a 4th line depth center is also in the cards on one year deals.
I think the Canes are the team that has the most appealing ammo (draft picks and young Dmen) and possibly enough desire to move up to get a top prospect center. I also think they will consolidate a few of those assets into more core pieces.
They are currently sitting at the Avs favorite #10, but if they get a bit closer to the top 5 I could see them be aggressive going after Patrick/Hischier.
They are currently sitting at the Avs favorite #10, but if they get a bit closer to the top 5 I could see them be aggressive going after Patrick/Hischier.
I don't make hat trade for OEL. I wouldn't move a whole pile of (young) assets to get someone Duchene's age and contract status, even if it is OEL. If we're moving number one, I'd only do it for someone like Hanifin with a small plus.
agentblack
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We are not in position to give 3 good asset for one. We need more depth and quality. One player is gonna drown here just like Mack and Duchene.
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