Rumor: Avs Proposals/Rumors/Free Agents 18-19 part XXV|Landeskog: Maanmetsä???

[cgf]

I’m not advocating getting Pavelski, but if there is a guy who I think won’t age badly it’s him. Dude skates like molasses for years, and gets by by being the best damn tip specialist in the NHL and has insanely high hockey IQ and work drive.

This logic makes sense...but I feel like these guys who "got by without any speed anyways" live on this edge where they fall off completely when they lose another step (in relation to the opposition), as often, if not more often, than the guys who can lose multiple gears & continue doing their thing...

Not saying Pavelski won't stay effective for a few more years & aging well, just a general thought about the way these outliers who get by with suboptimal tools throughout their primes, age.

 

[CB Joe]

If you're looking for an impact player in free agency, you're going to be disappointed.

Hayes is probably the best we can hope for but he might have priced himself out of what the Avs are comfortable paying.

 

[cgf]

If you're looking for an impact player in free agency, you're going to be disappointed.

Hayes is probably the best we can hope for but he might have priced himself out of what the Avs are comfortable paying.

Hayes would be a difference maker if they did pay up for him, maybe not a "fix our secondary scoring woes on his own" difference.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Hayes+Hughes/Kakko is the dream.

 

[dahrougem2]

Pavelski obviously isn't signing here, but not every player aged 35+ is an automatic disaster.

Just because we didn't luck out with Iginla/Beauchemin doesn't mean every damn player will be a failure.

If Zdeno Chara called Joe Sakic tomorrow saying he's not re-signing in Boston and wants to come to Colorado on a 2-year deal, I'd jump all over that. Ditto Joe Pavelski, Mark Giordano, Duncan Keith.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Pavelski obviously isn't signing here, but not every player aged 35+ is an automatic disaster.

Just because we didn't luck out with Iginla/Beauchemin doesn't mean every damn player will be a failure.

If Zdeno Chara called Joe Sakic tomorrow saying he's not re-signing in Boston and wants to come to Colorado on a 2-year deal, I'd jump all over that. Ditto Joe Pavelski, Mark Giordano, Duncan Keith.

Justin Williams? Yes or no?

 

[UncleRisto]

Justin Williams? Yes or no?

Think Ray Whitney could give us some secondary scoring.

Another option to consider: Erik Cole.

 

[dahrougem2]

Justin Williams? Yes or no?

Yes only if he brings the storm surge with him.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Think Ray Whitney could give us some secondary scoring.

Another option to consider: Erik Cole.

We need more grit, I’m thinking Ruutu or Battaglia.

 

[Meeqs]

If you're looking for an impact player in free agency, you're going to be disappointed.

Hayes is probably the best we can hope for but he might have priced himself out of what the Avs are comfortable paying.

The real issue with UFA is one of the few and best ways for a talented young team to ruin their chance at a cup is to tie up too much cap space in inefficient deals. Especially now with RFA's making giant money post ELC and bridge deals being non existent, cap space disappears in the blink of an eye and with guaranteed contracts once you're locked in you're stuck. Even something that seems alright or good can become a nightmare of an issue in just 1 or 2 years.

Guys like Hayes are nice to have but they aren't going to be the reason you win a cup, it'll be your young drafted core players. However they can be the reason you lose a cup. I mean heck part of the reason TBL is so good this year is their entire roster is pretty much Drafted guys, they have SOOOO few UFAs, and its what allows them to be so dangerous. Then you have teams like Min who built through UFA and the best they were able to peak at was in the 1st round.

 

[McMetal]

Pavelski obviously isn't signing here, but not every player aged 35+ is an automatic disaster.

Just because we didn't luck out with Iginla/Beauchemin doesn't mean every damn player will be a failure.

If Zdeno Chara called Joe Sakic tomorrow saying he's not re-signing in Boston and wants to come to Colorado on a 2-year deal, I'd jump all over that. Ditto Joe Pavelski, Mark Giordano, Duncan Keith.

While this is true, I don't think we should be playing those odds.

 

[Avs71]

Pavelski obviously isn't signing here, but not every player aged 35+ is an automatic disaster.

Just because we didn't luck out with Iginla/Beauchemin doesn't mean every damn player will be a failure.

If Zdeno Chara called Joe Sakic tomorrow saying he's not re-signing in Boston and wants to come to Colorado on a 2-year deal, I'd jump all over that. Ditto Joe Pavelski, Mark Giordano, Duncan Keith.

Wonder if Chara could teach Zadorov anything.

 

[CB Joe]

Wonder if Chara could teach Zadorov anything.

IMO Chara is one of the best leaders in the league. I don't see him leaving Boston.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Hayes+Hughes/Kakko is the dream.

Let's really dream big here.

Win two lottery spots:

Hughes
Kakko

Panarin
Karlsson

Trade for Lundqvist somehow


Now that's a dream

 

[cgf]

Let's really dream big here.

Win two lottery spots:

Hughes
Kakko

Panarin
Karlsson

Trade for Lundqvist somehow


Now that's a dream

Win top 2 spot with our pick; trade OTT pick + 2020 1st + B-prospect for Larkin; trade Kerfoot + 2nd for Zucker

Zucker - MacK - Rantanen
Landy - Larkin - Top 2 pick
Calvert - Soda - Longbeach
AJ Greer - Kam - Jimmothy
Toninato
( Kaut / Bowers / Shvyryov )

Girard - Barrie
Zadorov - EJ
Cole - Makar
Graves
(Meloche / Timmins )

Grubauer
Francouz
( Morris )


boom

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Win top 2 spot with our pick; trade OTT pick + 2020 1st + B-prospect for Larkin; trade Kerfoot + 2nd for Zucker

Zucker - MacK - Rantanen
Landy - Larkin - Hughes (or Kakko)
Calvert - Soda - Longbeach
Greer - Kamenev - Compher

Girard - Barrie
Zadorov - EJ
Cole - Makar

Grubauer
Francouz


boom

I like mine more

 

[cgf]

I like mine more

Meh, only if you like front running. My way would be more fun

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Meh, only if you like front running. My way would be more fun

We're dreaming here!

 

[Spleenless Wonder21]

Now, please be bruised ribs for Mikko. And, I know it’s been 20 years (wow, I’m getting old), but tonight I’m gonna party like I hate you as much as I did in 1999, Dallas.

 

[cgf]

We're dreaming here!

Yeah, but what fun is a dream where we just steamroll everybody with superior talent? It's a lot more fun if we're just a little better than everyone else but still young, funny & on the rise

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Yeah, but what fun is a dream where we just steamroll everybody with superior talent? It's a lot more fun if we're just a little better than everyone else but still young, funny & on the rise

We'd have two 18yo's on our 2nd line though

 

[Spleenless Wonder21]

We'd have two 18yo's on our 2nd line though

*Wuh, wuuuhhhh*

 

[a mangy Meowth]

*Wuh, wuuuhhhh*

One would be too short to succeed in the NHL too :^)

 

[Foppa2118]

AHL: "times shorthanded"

09/10 w/o: 15th
10/11 with: 1st
11/12 with: 24th
12/13 w/0: 29th

13/14 w/o: 16th
14/15 with: 3rd
15/16 with: 7th
16/17 w/0: 12th

NHL: "minors taken"

15/16 w/o: 22nd
16/17 with: T-10th
17/18 with: T-8th
18/19 with: 5th

it does seem that the teams go shorthanded more often when he's at the helm

It does look like they're probably higher in minors than overall PIMS a couple times in the AHL, but then you have to ask how Bednar managed to go from 1st to 24th in one year with the same Peoria team if he was the problem? In the same way that if it was his system, then why is the faster, less physical, and more talented Avalanche team taking more penalties than that slow as molasses team in 2016-17?

I'm not really a Bednar fan, but the problem to me is with the players taking bad penalties. That's why you see the unexplained variance. Also, for accuracy I really think the first two Avalanche years should be ranked the way they're listed by the league (based on ratio of minor penalties to penalties) and with context. Otherwise it can make them look worse then they were.

2016-17
11th in total minor penalties (tied with one team)

2017-18
10th in total minor penalties (tied with 3 teams) - also within one penalty of 11th

http://www.nhl.com/stats/team?repor...&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=penaltiesMinor

 

[PAZ]

I don't see Zucker being moved in the division but you never know. The rumored price at the TDL from CGY was Frolik +1st and the Avs don't really have similar pieces.

They traded Granlund, arguably their best player for Fiala so I don't think that's an issue.

I bet Fenton would prefer Jost over Frolik + 1st based off his previous trades.