Rumor: Avs Proposals/Rumors/Free Agents 18-19 part XVIII|Team Snowflake vs. Team Snowball

[Meeqs]

Lol you poor guy. I hope you get the blockbuster you deserve. On here every single day praying for a trade for like a year now lol.

Haha ikr.

Honestly if I am Sakic I see what teams would offer for Barrie at 50%. That'd allow any contending team to add him to their roster and have a giant impact this year and next. After what Muzzin got, Barrie at 50% could be 4 really strong pieces.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I'd move the Ottawa 1st before Makar. Just think about this Defense for a second if we moved say Ottawa 1st + Timmins + as a basis for him.


Provorov - EJ
Girard - Barrie
Zadorov - Makar


With plans to move out EJ in the next year and Makar or Barrie slide up into his spot.

Drool worthy...

 

[Balthazar]

I’d rather Provorov than all of them except for maybe Heiskanen.

Provorov will end up somewhere between EJ and Pietrangelo (absolute best case scenario). A solid top pairing dman. Maybe a #1, maybe a #2.

Chabot has elite defenseman written all over him for quite some time now, he's a tier above Provorov.

 

[Meeqs]

Don’t think there is anything that weird about it... more responsibilities and more tape on them. Teams start figuring out how to play against them effectively. Happens with many young players and especially defensemen. Development isn’t usually linear.

Some players rebound and find ways to clean up their games. Some don’t. EJ is a good example of one who never really rebounded, but eventually still turned into a very solid defensemen.

I think a lot of it is hype too. When fans get super excited about a player they see them with rose colored glasses. Look at Graves this year, fans get super excited but if he were to stay on the team in a year he'd get the same treatment as Nemeth.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Haha ikr.

Honestly if I am Sakic I see what teams would offer for Barrie at 50%. That'd allow any contending team to add him to their roster and have a giant impact this year and next. After what Muzzin got, Barrie at 50% could be 4 really strong pieces.

Why would you want to trade our best defenseman?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Drool worth...

It really would be incredible.


Provorov, Girard, and Makar all u23. And then Barrie as the "veteran" of the group at 28 years old chipping in 55-60 points a year.

 

[Freudian]

Lol you poor guy. I hope you get the blockbuster you deserve. On here every single day praying for a trade for like a year now lol.

We'll get a AHLer for AHLer blockbuster and we will like it!!!!

 

[Meeqs]

Drool worth...

Worth for a year or 2 until you have to trade them because of lack of opportunity and cap concerns.

The NHL isn't designed to have 6 top 4 guys long term. Get the best combination of players you can get for their roles.

 

[lonelybadger]

Avs should just wait until the offseason and offersheet Kapanen and Johnsson from the leafs.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Provorov will end up somewhere between EJ and Pietrangelo (absolute best case scenario). A solid top pairing dman. Maybe a #1, maybe a #2.

Chabot has elite defenseman written all over him for quite some time now, he's a tier above Provorov.

Massive undersell of Provorov.

 

[Meeqs]

Why would you want to trade our best defenseman?

I think he is gone 100%. No reason to hash the topic out any more than it already has been.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Worth for a year or 2 until you have to trade them because of lack of opportunity and cap concerns.

The NHL isn't designed to have 6 top 4 guys long term. Get the best combination of players you can get for their roles.

EJ should be moved out in a year or two anyway and theres a pretty decent chance Zadorov is what he is at this point also.


It's not unrealistic at all to think the Avs could keep Provorov, Makar, Girard, Barrie, and Zadorov around for 5-6 years.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Provorov will end up somewhere between EJ and Pietrangelo (absolute best case scenario). A solid top pairing dman. Maybe a #1, maybe a #2.

Chabot has elite defenseman written all over him for quite some time now, he's a tier above Provorov.

Chabot=Letang
Provorov=Petro

Can’t go wrong with either and both are definitely 1D’s but I’d rather have Provorov.

 

[Meeqs]

EJ should be moved out in a year or two anyway and theres a pretty decent chance Zadorov is what he is at this point also.


It's not unrealistic at all to think the Avs could keep Provorov, Makar, Girard, Barrie, and Zadorov around for 5-6 years.

1) I don't think Provorov is available so no reason to really spend much time discussing it

2) I don't think there is any scenario in which it makes sense to not trade Barrie.

 

[Foppberg]

I guess I'm not as high on Provorov as others. If I could have any young D in the league he'd be towards the bottom with Dahlin, Jones, McAvoy, Chabot, Hesikanen ahead of him.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

1) I don't think Provorov is available so no reason to really spend much time discussing it

2) I don't think there is any scenario in which it makes sense to not trade Barrie.

I dont think theres any scenario that makes sense to trade Barrie. Why trade your teams best and most valuable Dman, who also happens to be your franchise players best friend?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I guess I'm not as high on Provorov as others. If I could have any young D in the league he'd be towards the bottom with Dahlin, Jones, McAvoy, Chabot, Hesikanen ahead of him.

Yeah I agree. I like Provorov but he doesn’t touch the others you just listed.

If I could add any defenseman in the NHL it’s Seth.

 

[Pokecheque]

I don't think it's a given that Barrie gets dealt, but I do think it's possible. But I'd be shocked if it happened before next season starts.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I guess I'm not as high on Provorov as others. If I could have any young D in the league he'd be towards the bottom with Dahlin, Jones, McAvoy, Chabot, Hesikanen ahead of him.

I’ve been crazy high on him since his D-1 year and is who I wanted the Avs to draft. Ahead of everyone not named McDavid or Eichel.

 

[Balthazar]

I guess I'm not as high on Provorov as others. If I could have any young D in the league he'd be towards the bottom with Dahlin, Jones, McAvoy, Chabot, Hesikanen ahead of him.

The way I see it:

Dahlin = tier 1 "franchise player"
Jones - Chabot - Heiskanen = tier 2 "elite defenseman"
McAvoy - Provorov = tier 3 "top pairing defenseman"

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I guess I'm not as high on Provorov as others. If I could have any young D in the league he'd be towards the bottom with Dahlin, Jones, McAvoy, Chabot, Hesikanen ahead of him.

Tbh I forgot about Heiskanen. But Chabot and McAvoy dont come close to Provorov for me.


I mean he scored 17 goals in the league as a 20/21 year old and was the #1Dman playing 25+ minutes a night on a playoff team.


That's just so rare to see.

 

[Foppberg]

The way I see it:

Dahlin = tier 1 "franchise player"
Jones - Chabot - Heiskanen = tier 2 "elite defenseman"
McAvoy - Provorov = tier 3 "top pairing defenseman"

Yeah same. Though I'd probably swap McAvoy and Heiskinen.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yeah I agree. I like Provorov but he doesn’t touch the others you just listed.

If I could add any defenseman in the NHL it’s Seth.

Yeah Jones or Dahlin would be the top 2 picks for me for dmen to add to our team.

 

[cgf]

What about Draisaitl?

You mean the Landy upgrade who will make the MacK line an all-time great unit?

 

[Meeqs]

I dont think theres any scenario that makes sense to trade Barrie. Why trade your teams best and most valuable Dman, who also happens to be your franchise players best friend?

1) He's redundant at his position, someone will need to be moved and he by far is the most obvious choice.
2) He will be overpaid in a year, if not flat out walk.
3) The Avs could really use the return for him to fill holes elsewhere. Its because he is so good that we should trade him.
4) Keeping him causes ED issues.

Any 1 of those reasons should be enough to move him and there are 4. Barrie is a luxury at this point for the Avs and not a need. Its been talked about to death, feel free to disagree with me but I will be flat out shocked if Barrie is on the Avs at the start of next year. That's all I'll post on the matter of what they should do. I will talk about potential moves for him though.