So let's make sure to put him in the lineup with Barrie and Girard. That should go over well.
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So let's make sure to put him in the lineup with Barrie and Girard. That should go over well.
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Would it surprise anyone if the Avs went after Gardiner this summer? There's Girard in the top four, Cole might be better suited for the bottom pair, and they're reportedly shopping Zadorov so he might not be in their long-term plans. I believe there was some talk of them liking Gardiner a few years back.
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Makar is already an elite defenseman? Well shit... I’ve missed a lot.
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Awfully huge if right there considering Barrie is the leading TOI and 43% of the offensive production from the backend. Also, why not use somebody else to shore up the forward group? Or have two offensively capable defensemen instead of one to help shore up the secondary scoring....
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4 of your 7 defenders have a combined total of 132 games played in the NHL. 123 of those are from Girard.
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The Avs have always liked Gardiner... and I can really see why. Instant puck movement and offense from the backend. He has been in over his head in Toronto for a few years, but in a more limited role he could be pretty solid... but somebody is giving up ~7m.
Never said that. But we aren't trading him.
If you could actually read and comprehend posts then you would know I'm concerned with Makar, Barrie and Girard all in the same group.
So our options are having 3 undersized offensive defensemen all whom are liabilities in their own end or trade Barrie because we probably wont resign him for forward depth.
You choose.
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3 undersized defensemen and kill teams with puck movement. Z, Cole, and EJ will still be around to add size and grit... Graves/Barbie/plug can stick around as depth.
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Like who? I mean would trading for someone like Brodin make this team better? Not really.
I mean if a legit #1 2 way guy becomes available that’s one thing. B
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They certainly are not, but you are taking the single most impactful defensemen out.
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No but wouldn't you rather bring along your players in a successful environment not getting them embarrassed night to night and have their confidence rocked. People are upset about Jost being ruined but want to throw every defensive prospect right into the NHL eating up as many minutes as possible. Very few players make that jump that well. Insulate Makar with barrie, and let Timmins marinate in the A, then maybe the avs have a successful farm team for once.
Yes because Barrie and Girard and that fantastic puck movement have been helping us so much right now.
Do you even watch the games?
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Well it's kind of hard to say since I have no way of knowing who is available.
A top 4 who excels in their own end.
Impactful offensively yes but a complete and total liability in our own end.
Add another guy to that group let's see what happens.
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Do you? The NHL is very quickly moving towards quick puck movement out of the zone and defensemen are trending smaller and smaller.
It is funny... if you look at all the advanced numbers out there on defensive pairings. The Avs top pairing stats wise, by a mile, is Girard-Barrie. It has had limited use, but the advanced stats geeks I know rave about what that pairing looks like on paper. In practice they have looked good too... Like it or not, the NHL is changing...
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Honestly I’ve been thinking the last few days how I could see a trade at the deadline.
Nemeth and Varlaomov (with whatever retention necessary)
For
Gardiner.
Leafs need a backup badly. They probably won’t want to give up any picks for a goalie that may not play but definitely want the security if Andersen goes down in the playoffs. Gardiner isn’t part of their long term plans and will be used even less now with Muzzin. And Nemeth has that rugged, shot blocking, decent skating ability style that coaches love for playoff hockey. Nemo would probably log some decent minutes for the Leafs in all honesty.
It’s two teams improving their team’s now while also giving up nothing from their future plans.
Wrong. This isn't and never will be pond hockey. Undersized defenseman will always be a liability. Having 1 or maybe 2 will be ok but 3? No chance.
Check out the size of TB's dmen. Then come back.
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Anything that forces the Avs to not play Nemeth/Barbie and try Francouz I'm a fan of at this point. But I doubt the Leafs say yes to that. I think they want to hold on to their D and add to it, and if they move Gardiner I would think it's for younger more cost controlled assets. Thats just me guessing though.
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Yeah their best pure defensive guy is 5'11" 190 lbs...
I probably know more about Tampa and their organization than anybody here...
Trouba..? Barrie is a lot more productive though. If Barrie won't sign here for reason X maybe there's a swap.
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