GDT: Avs @ Bolts: Last Second Edition

[Foppa2118]

Byram sucked. Yeah he had 2 goals, but he also is to blame for 2 goals, both in the 3rd period.

He let Stamkos get behind him for an easy break away goal, and then on the GWG, Bo for some reason pushed up to the blueline with the puck not cleared yet, and created a 2on1 where Kuch potted the winner.

His game today just furthered my hate and motivation to trade him. Just send the gametape of the first 2 periods to every GM and say he's available. I'm done with him.

Byram giveth, Byram taketh away.

Awful sequence on both of the last two TB goals.

Byram continues to be frustrating. The defensive miscues and lack of awareness stand out even on a night where he scores two goals with really nice plays and offensive instincts. No idea where they go with him.

Come on guys, please watch these plays before you criticize like this. This is why there's so much Byram hate here. Every GDT he gets blamed for things that weren't his fault. Even when he has another good game, with two really nice goals.

He did NOT let Stamkos get behind him. Wood passes to Bo and follows Stamkos out of the zone, while Bo is taking the shot. Then Wood leaves Stamkos to go back into the zone, while Stamkos cherry picks the other way and gets lucky, almost going off sides even, as Colton passes the puck right to Tampa to set him up like he still plays with them.

No mistake whatsoever by Byram. He's deeper in the zone than Toews even. He can't shoot the puck, prevent Colton from turning the puck over, and teleport 20 feet backward all at the same time.

4th goal, as both Mitchy and JML said in the post game, was Colton's fault again. Byram's man is Stamkos the entire time. It's a standard play in the NHL now for the D man to go up high like that. His D partner Cale is covering the net, and Stamkos is setting up for a one timer in the high slot that he needs to block or deflect.

Colton takes Kucherov off the draw. That's his man. Then Colton tries to bail the zone early like Stamkos did to score on his old team, even though the score is tied now and he needs to be more responsible. Kucherov's pass goes off Colton's skate as he's bailing, goes right to Stamkos, who spins and backhands it to Point down low, who then passes it through Cale to a wide open Kucherov to score.

Again, no mistake whatsoever by Bo. If Colton doesn't bail the zone, and stays with his man, that goal doesn't happen.

I don't want to give you guys a hard time, we all make mistakes, but this happens far too often, and it influences other people's opinions.

 

[Cypher]

Come on guys, please watch these plays before you criticize like this. This is why there's so much Byram hate here. Every GDT he gets blamed for things that weren't his fault. Even when he has another good game, with two really nice goals.

He did NOT let Stamkos get behind him. Wood passes to Bo and follows Stamkos out of the zone, while Bo is taking the shot. Then Wood leaves Stamkos to go back into the zone, while Stamkos cherry picks the other way and gets lucky, almost going off sides even, as Colton passes the puck right to Tampa to set him up like he still plays with them.

No mistake whatsoever by Byram. He's deeper in the zone than Toews even. He can't shoot the puck, prevent Colton from turning the puck over, and teleport 20 feet backward all at the same time.

4th goal, as both Mitchy and JML said in the post game, was Colton's fault again. Byram's man is Stamkos the entire time. It's a standard play in the NHL now for the D man to go up high like that. His D partner Cale is covering the net, and Stamkos is setting up for a one timer in the high slot that he needs to block or deflect.

Colton takes Kucherov off the draw. That's his man. Then Colton tries to bail the zone early like Stamkos did to score on his old team, even though the score is tied now and he needs to be more responsible. Kucherov's pass goes off Colton's skate as he's bailing, goes right to Stamkos, who spins and backhands it to Point down low, who then passes it through Cale to a wide open Kucherov to score.

Again, no mistake whatsoever by Bo. If Colton doesn't bail the zone, and stays with his man, that goal doesn't happen.

I don't want to give you guys a hard time, we all make mistakes, but this happens far too often, and it influences other people's opinions.

1st goal, positional awareness, its cropped out of your gif, but he does look back and he sees Stamkos behind him, but his next step isn't towards him, and thus he can't catch up. I mean, we traded Graves away for having his shot blocked and giving up a breakaway goal, but we're giving Bo a pass?

2nd goal, there's no reason to chase Stamkos to the blue line, that's the wingers job. Even if Stamkos shots there, thats a low danger area. Bo needs to stay back and trust his forwards.

The mistake was made by Bo.

And he's lucky he didn't get called for a penalty on his first goal. He used Hagel as a slingshot to get in front of him.

 

[The Moops]

I didn't catch the game, but I did love seeing Bo water skiing behind one of Tampas players and yanking him back so he get ahead and score a goal

 

[dahrougem2]

Come on guys, please watch these plays before you criticize like this. This is why there's so much Byram hate here. Every GDT he gets blamed for things that weren't his fault. Even when he has another good game, with two really nice goals.

He did NOT let Stamkos get behind him. Wood passes to Bo and follows Stamkos out of the zone, while Bo is taking the shot. Then Wood leaves Stamkos to go back into the zone, while Stamkos cherry picks the other way and gets lucky, almost going off sides even, as Colton passes the puck right to Tampa to set him up like he still plays with them.

No mistake whatsoever by Byram. He's deeper in the zone than Toews even. He can't shoot the puck, prevent Colton from turning the puck over, and teleport 20 feet backward all at the same time.

4th goal, as both Mitchy and JML said in the post game, was Colton's fault again. Byram's man is Stamkos the entire time. It's a standard play in the NHL now for the D man to go up high like that. His D partner Cale is covering the net, and Stamkos is setting up for a one timer in the high slot that he needs to block or deflect.

Colton takes Kucherov off the draw. That's his man. Then Colton tries to bail the zone early like Stamkos did to score on his old team, even though the score is tied now and he needs to be more responsible. Kucherov's pass goes off Colton's skate as he's bailing, goes right to Stamkos, who spins and backhands it to Point down low, who then passes it through Cale to a wide open Kucherov to score.

Again, no mistake whatsoever by Bo. If Colton doesn't bail the zone, and stays with his man, that goal doesn't happen.

I don't want to give you guys a hard time, we all make mistakes, but this happens far too often, and it influences other people's opinions.

This is why Ross Colton shouldn't be killing penalties and probably shouldn't even be a center. That's such a dumb mistake to make.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I don't want to give you guys a hard time, we all make mistakes, but this happens far too often, and it influences other people's opinions.

No way this happens on this forum.

 

[the_fan]

It kinda sucks that the Hart and Art Ross is going to come down to Mcdavid and Kucherov again. Really thought Mackinnon could get it this year.

Yeah but MacK has a cup, Kucherov and McDavid don’t

 

[The Kingslayer]

Yeah but MacK has a cup, Kucherov and McDavid don’t

Lol

 

[mel13666]

Yeah but MacK has a cup, Kucherov and McDavid don’t

Yes, I think Kucherov doesn't even have it twice.

 

[the_fan]

Yes, I think Kucherov doesn't even have it twice.

What?

 

[Foppa2118]

This is why Ross Colton shouldn't be killing penalties and probably shouldn't even be a center. That's such a dumb mistake to make.

I like him at center and I like him as a player in general. I just think he gets over emotional sometimes and doesn't think things through. You can see how amped up he gets when he scores too.

That's a bit of his MO with his hitting game too, though we haven't seen it much fortunately.

I think he was probably just too focused on scoring on his old team, that he wanted to bail the zone for a breakaway, even though it was a tied game and they really could have used the win.

Bad mistake though I agree. He must have known the puck bounced off his leg.

Not sure why he would think it would automatically go to an Avs player and not one of the two Tampa players right where the puck was going. That's how focused he was on scoring instead of defending.

 

[Balthazar]

Yeah but MacK has a cup, Kucherov and McDavid don’t

Is that some kind of new strange humor? Like not the truth and not sarcasm either.

 

[Foppa2118]

1st goal, positional awareness, its cropped out of your gif, but he does look back and he sees Stamkos behind him, but his next step isn't towards him, and thus he can't catch up. I mean, we traded Graves away for having his shot blocked and giving up a breakaway goal, but we're giving Bo a pass?

2nd goal, there's no reason to chase Stamkos to the blue line, that's the wingers job. Even if Stamkos shots there, thats a low danger area. Bo needs to stay back and trust his forwards.

The mistake was made by Bo.

And he's lucky he didn't get called for a penalty on his first goal. He used Hagel as a slingshot to get in front of him.

Come on really Cypher? He looks back and Stamkos is like 20-30 feet away. What's he supposed to do there? All he can do is try to get in the passing lane, which he did but couldn't block the pass.

That was a crazy aggressive cherry pick that only paid off because Colton handed the puck right to Tampa with no Avs around.

Why would you blame Bo there more than Toews who was in the neutral zone and probably should have been hanging back more. How's he supposed to know Wood is gonna fly back into the zone instead of staying with Stammer, and Colton is gonna just hand the puck right to Tampa?

Watch the play again on the 4th goal. Who is supposed to take Stamkos who's clearly setting up for a one timer? Byram. Who does Colton decide to take off the draw? Kuckerov. What happens then? Colton bails the zone and Kucherov is wide open and scores.

If you don't believe me, just watch the post game. NHL vets in Mitchy and JML said the same thing.

Agreed on the last part, but it was also sneaky smart move that paid off. If you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin.

 

[the_fan]

Is that some kind of new strange humor? Like not the truth and not sarcasm either.

I really don’t know what you’re talking about

 

[RECKLESS]

Self inflicted wounds, but overall this was a fun game.

 

[Cypher]

Come on really Cypher? He looks back and Stamkos is like 20-30 feet away. What's he supposed to do there? All he can do is try to get in the passing lane, which he did but couldn't block the pass.

That was a crazy aggressive cherry pick that only paid off because Colton handed the puck right to Tampa with no Avs around.

Why would you blame Bo there more than Toews who was in the neutral zone and probably should have been hanging back more. How's he supposed to know Wood is gonna fly back into the zone instead of staying with Stammer, and Colton is gonna just hand the puck right to Tampa?

Watch the play again on the 4th goal. Who is supposed to take Stamkos who's clearly setting up for a one timer? Byram. Who does Colton decide to take off the draw? Kuckerov. What happens then? Colton bails the zone and Kucherov is wide open and scores.

If you don't believe me, just watch the post game. NHL vets in Mitchy and JML said the same thing.

Agreed on the last part, but it was also sneaky smart move that paid off. If you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin.

Maybe that 1st one isn't too bad, but there's no way a forward would expect Bo to push that much up on that 2nd goal. Bo should've stayed back let that shot from the point be taken; that's a low scoring chance.

 

[Ceremony]

I'll say one thing for Kucherov, you can see why he's got so many points. When he gets the puck it just seems like there's instantly a shot that has the goalie scrambling or a pass that suddenly finds a guy in five feet of space with a clear chance.

 

[dahrougem2]

Maybe that 1st one isn't too bad, but there's no way a forward would expect Bo to push that much up on that 2nd goal. Bo should've stayed back let that shot from the point be taken; that's a low scoring chance.

On that goal, Colton is on Kucherov then leaves him. It is unrealistic to ask Byram to defend Stamkos, then leave him and race to find where Kucherov is in a second.

 

[Cypher]

On that goal, Colton is on Kucherov then leaves him. It is unrealistic to ask Byram to defend Stamkos, then leave him and race to find where Kucherov is in a second.

Nobody asked Byram to defend Stamkos. Bo is a dman, he needs to stay back in the d-zone. Covering the point is the wingers job, not Bo's. He doesn't have to be on Kucherov, but he needs to be back in that area.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Nobody asked Byram to defend Stamkos. Bo is a dman, he needs to stay back in the d-zone. Covering the point is the wingers job, not Bo's. He doesn't have to be on Kucherov, but he needs to be back in that area.

I don't think Byram did anything wrong on that goal. He just followed his man. Evan Mitchy said it in the post-game show that Colton was the one that screwed up.

 

[dahrougem2]

Nobody asked Byram to defend Stamkos. Bo is a dman, he needs to stay back in the d-zone. Covering the point is the wingers job, not Bo's. He doesn't have to be on Kucherov, but he needs to be back in that area.

This is not how hockey works. And even if we did apply that logic, Ross Colton is a center. Shouldn't he be helping down low?

 

[Cypher]

I don't think Byram did anything wrong on that goal. He just followed his man. Evan Mitchy said it in the post-game show that Colton was the one that screwed up.

Yes, but you pass him off when Stamkos goes that far up.

This is not how hockey works. And even if we did apply that logic, Ross Colton is a center. Shouldn't he be helping down low?

That is how hockey works. Wingers cover the point in the dzone. That's peewee learnings. Sure Colton could've stayed down low, but he also doesn't expect Bo to push that far up without the puck being 100% cleared. No dman should be pushing up to the blueline without the puck being cleared. Stamkos is in a low danger area, let him get his backhand off from the blue hand.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Yes, but you pass him off when Stamkos goes that far up.

He had nobody to pass him off to though so he stayed with his man. I have no issue with what he did. Colton was too quick to head out of the zone.

 

[dahrougem2]

Yes, but you pass him off when Stamkos goes that far up.



That is how hockey works. Wingers cover the point in the dzone. That's peewee learnings. Sure Colton could've stayed down low, but he also doesn't expect Bo to push that far up without the puck being 100% cleared. No dman should be pushing up to the blueline without the puck being cleared. Stamkos is in a low danger area, let him get his backhand off from the blue hand.

No, it really isn't how hockey works at high end levels. You don't just tell wingers to stick to their point men, defensemen never leave the front, center only down low, etc.

Just watch how many times in a game a defenseman chases his forward up to the point. Pressure is how you defend best. Byram was on Stamkos, so he followed Stamkos. Colton was on Kucherov, he left Kucherov. Only one guy is at fault here, and it is not Byram.

 

[Cypher]

No, it really isn't how hockey works at high end levels. You don't just tell wingers to stick to their point men, defensemen never leave the front, center only down low, etc.

Just watch how many times in a game a defenseman chases his forward up to the point. Pressure is how you defend best. Byram was on Stamkos, so he followed Stamkos. Colton was on Kucherov, he left Kucherov. Only one guy is at fault here, and it is not Byram.

Agree to disagree. But IMO you don't leave the slot area wide open to try and defend the point as a dman. Defend high danger area > lower danger area.

 

[dahrougem2]

Agree to disagree. But IMO you don't leave the slot area wide open to try and defend the point as a dman. Defend high danger area > lower danger area.

The high danger area would have been defended just fine if Colton stayed with his guy. If Stamkos is allowed all day to make a play, he's going to make a very dangerous play.

Just look at how many times MacKinnon has either scored or assisted on a goal from the mid-point area since 2017 when he created that play. Teams are aware of it finally, and they pressure him like crazy instead of giving him time.