CantLoseWithMatthews
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I can tell you aren't lying about not putting much thought into this
Auston Matthews Proving Me Wrong
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The gap between McDavid and Matthews is smaller than the gap between Matthews and whoever is behind him.
Mathew Barzal
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RobBrown4PM
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Kinda wandering what excuses the salt brigades will come up next with to justify Matthews being no higher than Cheechoo in terms of talent and production.
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I personally wouldn't go that far, but looking at some of the big picture stuff about Matthews' performance so far is pretty eye opening. His 40-goal rookie season was so incredible that most people forget he had a 13-game goalless drought and was centering a rotation of 3 other rookies all year. Furthermore his most consistent linemate (Hyman) had a league worst conversion rate on high danger chances which lead to OISH% lower than most superstars. Basically, by most metrics, he actually underachieved in his 40 goal 69 pt rookie season. Then he went 1.0+ Pt/G in his sophomore year despite battling various injuries so that also muddied the picture on his true talent.
I'm just really hoping for a fully healthy season with about 20 mins of TOI (#1 PP unit and mins as well) so that we can get a better sense of just how good he is and whether he's closer or farther from McDavid than most people think.
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I forget the name but a sports caster from Edmonton said that the main reason people in Edmonton are upset that Matthews is even mentioned with McDavid is because Matthews is a Leaf.
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Agreed!
I'll be pumped if he signs for around 11
Unfortunately, if he does sign for 16ish, that means Barzal will be up near 13-15 as well.
13/21 are nos, the remaining there are only 4 clear yeses and 2 of them stand to be rewritten after this year.
What people like you don't understand when you talk about sustainability is how deflated Matthews numbers have been in his first two years:
Year 1, played half the year with glorified 3rd and 4th liner ROOKIES in Brown and Hyman, only played 2:30 minutes on the PP and only got 8 PP goals, only played 17:30 per game (McDavid got 19 minutes in year one) still ended up with 40 goals and nearly 70 points
Year 2, still stuck with Hyman who at that point was a decent 3rd liner and had THE lowest high danger scoring chance conversion rate, PP TOI goes DOWN to 2 minutes (McDavid was at 3 in his 2nd year) and ice time barely budges up to 18 minutes meanwhile McDavid was at 21 minutes already in his 2nd year, still goes PPG despite his injury severely hampering him and paces for 45 goals while only scoring 5 pp goals and pacing for 8
/\ So people like yourself might give cursory glances at his stats and be like "ah nice, great goal scorer, good playmaker, but nothing special," meanwhile when you learn the situation he did it in, it becomes so much more impressive.
As far as the sustainability thing, no Leaf fan thinks he's going to get 140 goals and 200 points, but you're making such a non-point by saying this. The reason Matthews can even achieve those ludicrous numbers is because he is near the top of the league, if you know anything about samples, being a 1/5 at xyz doesn't mean you make 1/5, for certain players it means they make 2/5 and then 1/next 10, for others it means 4/5 and 1/next 20.
But again, you're just doing the cursory glance thing, if Matthews scored 40 goals his first year with 8 powerplay goals and was pacing for 45 with 8 powerplay goals again in his 2nd year, WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU THAT IN FIVE GAMES HE ALREADY HAS 4 THIS YEAR???? What it should tell you is that he is going to explode, scoring powerplay goals is MUCH easier than scoring at 5 on 5 which he was already the best in the league at and with the Leafs powerplay, he is going to have SO many easy looks it's going to be insane.
That doesn't mean he sustains his current numbers, what it does mean is that the variance of his slumps goes down:
Year 1 Went 13 games WITHOUT a goal (still hit 40 remember) AND had just 2 points in these 13 games
Year 2 Went 5 games without a goal (still paced for 45) and had 1 goal and 2 assists in 9 games
He was doing this not getting good PP TOI and being stuck with Hyman his 2nd year, this year's powerplay is going to do a number on his numbers, he has NEVER been in such a position or anything close to it, his variance went down last year due to him and his linemates being better, his variance this year is going to be very low because of how dominant and unstoppable the powerplay is. This is going to be a massive year beyond what most can anticipate because they don't have the facts about him that I posted above.
The best stat that puts it in perspective is that Matthews has already put up HALF of the powerplay goals he put up in year 1 and 2 in FIVE GAMES. *Snap* Yep this is going in my Matthews is a beast compilation
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In order to offer sheet a Matthews or a Marner a team will need to have the draft picks to make it work. With that said, what are the draft picks and which teams out there can do this? It's most likely to take place but just curious which teams can make a run at it...
Varan
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How anyone can claim Mathews isnt on the highest possible tier in this league is beyond me. Seriously, they are blinded by hate or jealousy and there is no two ways about it. Just try and make a coherent argument for it. McDavid is the pinnacle right now, and from what ive seen and how he is still improving Mathews is right behind him and closing the gap quickly.
MoreMogilny
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Hahahah oh God almighty.
I wonder if you posted that with list with a straight face.
ottomaddox
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I made an argument in a different thread and now humbly i have to say i was wrong,
Matthews has already 7 goals, 10 points this season, ill leave it that thing to that.
I might not be a Leafs fan but Matthews is growing into me
- i still hold my ground on that, that you guys will not make it in the play-offs this season,
you guys just do not play good enough, your 3 star players and PP is giving you wins,
that won't last the entire season, you have been out shot in every single game,
your D and goaltending is just not good enough
PS. I'm not wrong often,but when i am, i'm happy to admit it.
That's what she said.
Also this thread is a passive aggressive show piece.
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