Auston Matthews Discussion Thread

[zeke]

Since Keefe: 91gms, 21:44toi, 60gl/100pt pace

 

[Marshy]

Since Keefe: 91gms, 21:44toi, 60gl/100pt pace

23 year old season has traditionally been the coming out party stats-wise for many many elite players also though.

 

[zeke]

23 year old season has traditionally been the coming out party stats-wise for many many elite players also though.

yep he suddenly improved the moment Keefe took over.

lucky keefe.

 

[Marshy]

yep he suddenly improved the moment Keefe took over.

lucky keefe.

I don't think he's ever stopped improving.

 

[zeke]

I don't think he's ever stopped improving.

And yet, a wondrous leap offensively as soon as he got a new coach and more ice time.

 

[ponder]

Zero question Matthews plays WAY more under Keefe, about 3 mins per game more: NHL Stats

And clearly that’s good for his production. Babs did give AM shockingly low ice time.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

He has improved his overall game each season. I personally think he has Selke potential as well as his defensive game evolves each year

 

[Marshy]

And yet, a wondrous leap offensively as soon as he got a new coach and more ice time.

Ya I am not disagreeing that Matthews fared better once Keefe took over just that we can't really know how much better since many star players take a statistical jump in their 4th/5th years (23 yo season).

It's amazing how many former stars you look up on Hockeydb and you see the significant jump in numbers at this age. I did it a few months back and it really jumped out at me. Took a look at one Joe Thornton's jump in production from age 22 to 23 under the tutelage of Robbie Ftorek.

 

[Petrus]

Since Keefe: 91gms, 21:44toi, 60gl/100pt pace

These numbers are MVP caliber.

 

[zeke]

Ya I am not disagreeing that Matthews fared better once Keefe took over just that we can't really know how much better since many star players take a statistical jump in their 4th/5th years (23 yo season).

It's amazing how many former stars you look up on Hockeydb and you see the significant jump in numbers at this age. I did it a few months back and it really jumped out at me. Took a look at one Joe Thornton's jump in production from age 22 to 23 under the tutelage of Robbie Ftorek.

Yr1: 2.86p60
Yr2: 3.36
Yr3: 3.46
Yr4: 3.27
Yr5: 3.60

You're right he's been steadily improving aside from a bit of a stumble last year, but the yuge jump in production under Keefe is much more a result of his increased ice time rather than his level of play, imo.

 

[zeke]

These numbers are MVP caliber.

Sure are

 

[authentic]

Just thought I would lay out some info on Matthews defensively against the other top centers out there, including those known for their D.

Getting sick of folks saying he's not somehow good defensively.

Defensive ranking of top centers in the game from 2018-today (data via natural stat trick):

Lowest 5v5 Shots Against/60:

1. Bergeron
2. O'Reilly
3. Couturier
4. Crosby
5. Mackinnon
6. Barzal
7. Kopitar
8. Matthews
9. Barkov
10. Eichel
11. Tavares
12. Larkin
13. McDavid
14. Draisaitl
15. Scheifele

Lowest 5v5 Shots Against/60 REL:

1. Couturier
2. Bergeron
3. Crosby
4. O'Reilly
5. Matthews
6. Larkin
7. Kopitar
8. Barzal
9. Mackinnon
10. Barkov
11. Eichel
12. Tavares
13. Scheifele
14. McDavid
15. Draisaitl

Lowest 5v5 High Danger Chances Against/60:

1. Bergeron
2. O'Reilly
3. Mackinnon
4. Matthews
5. Crosby
6. Couturier
7. Eichel
8. Barkov
9. Tavares
10. Kopitar
11. Barzal
12. Larkin
13. McDavid
14. Draisaitl
15. Scheifele

Lowest 5v5 High Danger Chances Against/60 REL:

1. Matthews
2. Eichel
3. Couturier
4. Crosby
5. Bergeron
6. Kopitar
7. Mackinnon
8. Barkov
9. O'Reilly
10. Larkin
11. Tavares
12. Barzal
13. Scheifele
14. McDavid
15. Draisaitl

Lowest 5v5 Expected Goals Against/60:

1. Bergeron
2. O'Reilly
3. Mackinnon
4. Couturier
5. Eichel
6. Crosby
7. Barzal
8. Matthews
9. Larkin
10. Tavares
11. Kopitar
12. Barkov
13. Draisaitl
14. McDavid
15. Scheifele

Lowest 5v5 Expected Goals Against/60 REL:

1. Bergeron
2. Couturier
3. Larkin
4. O'Reilly
5. Eichel
6. Crosby
7. Matthews
8. Mackinnon
9. Kopitar
10. Tavares
11. Barzal
12. Barkov
13. Scheifele
14. Draisaitl
15. McDavid

Takeaways/60:

1. Matthews
2. O'Reilly
3. Barkov
4. McDavid
5. Barzal
6. Draisaitl
7. Scheifele
8. Bergeron
9. Crosby
10. Tavares
11. Larkin
12. Mackinnon
13. Kopitar
14. Eichel
15. Couturier

Blocked Shots/60:

1. Matthews
2. Bergeron
3. Kopitar
4. Barkov

Just thought I would lay out some info on Matthews defensively against the other top centers out there, including those known for their D.

Getting sick of folks saying he's not somehow good defensively.

Defensive ranking of top centers in the game from 2018-today (data via natural stat trick):

Lowest 5v5 Shots Against/60:

1. Bergeron
2. O'Reilly
3. Couturier
4. Crosby
5. Mackinnon
6. Barzal
7. Kopitar
8. Matthews
9. Barkov
10. Eichel
11. Tavares
12. Larkin
13. McDavid
14. Draisaitl
15. Scheifele

Lowest 5v5 Shots Against/60 REL:

1. Couturier
2. Bergeron
3. Crosby
4. O'Reilly
5. Matthews
6. Larkin
7. Kopitar
8. Barzal
9. Mackinnon
10. Barkov
11. Eichel
12. Tavares
13. Scheifele
14. McDavid
15. Draisaitl

Lowest 5v5 High Danger Chances Against/60:

1. Bergeron
2. O'Reilly
3. Mackinnon
4. Matthews
5. Crosby
6. Couturier
7. Eichel
8. Barkov
9. Tavares
10. Kopitar
11. Barzal
12. Larkin
13. McDavid
14. Draisaitl
15. Scheifele

Lowest 5v5 High Danger Chances Against/60 REL:

1. Matthews
2. Eichel
3. Couturier
4. Crosby
5. Bergeron
6. Kopitar
7. Mackinnon
8. Barkov
9. O'Reilly
10. Larkin
11. Tavares
12. Barzal
13. Scheifele
14. McDavid
15. Draisaitl

Lowest 5v5 Expected Goals Against/60:

1. Bergeron
2. O'Reilly
3. Mackinnon
4. Couturier
5. Eichel
6. Crosby
7. Barzal
8. Matthews
9. Larkin
10. Tavares
11. Kopitar
12. Barkov
13. Draisaitl
14. McDavid
15. Scheifele

Lowest 5v5 Expected Goals Against/60 REL:

1. Bergeron
2. Couturier
3. Larkin
4. O'Reilly
5. Eichel
6. Crosby
7. Matthews
8. Mackinnon
9. Kopitar
10. Tavares
11. Barzal
12. Barkov
13. Scheifele
14. Draisaitl
15. McDavid

Takeaways/60:

1. Matthews
2. O'Reilly
3. Barkov
4. McDavid
5. Barzal
6. Draisaitl
7. Scheifele
8. Bergeron
9. Crosby
10. Tavares
11. Larkin
12. Mackinnon
13. Kopitar
14. Eichel
15. Couturier

Blocked Shots/60:

1. Matthews
2. Bergeron
3. Kopitar
4. Barkov
5. Eichel
6. Scheifele
7. Barzal
8. Tavares
9. Crosby
10. Larkin
11. Couturier
12. Mackinnon
13. O'Reilly
14. McDavid
15. Draisaitl

5. Eichel
6. Scheifele
7. Barzal
8. Tavares
9. Crosby
10. Larkin
11. Couturier
12. Mackinnon
13. O'Reilly
14. McDavid
15. Draisaitl

Dude I just had to borrow this because people are trying to tell me McDavid is a better defensive player.

 

[authentic]

23 year old season has traditionally been the coming out party stats-wise for many many elite players also though.

Yeah but we're talking about a player who was 2nd in the NHL in goals with 17:38 ice time, and only 2 minutes per game on the powerplay, as a rookie, flanked by an ensemble of rookie wingers, which included Hyman (he's become one of our MVPs so forgive me Zach) and Connor Brown.

 

[Zybalto]

Dude I just had to borrow this because people are trying to tell me McDavid is a better defensive player.

No problem,

Might as well throw these in too I posted earlier to that troll who said he was basically only a shooter with no vision or whatever:

5v5 primary assists/60 among the 46 centermen with at least 600 minutes played in the NHL this year ranking:

1. McDavid (tie)
1. MacKinnon (tie)
3. Danault
4. Marchessault
5. Draisaitl
6. Kopitar
7. Barkov
8. Matthews
9. Gourde
10. Zibanejad

Other notables:

12. Backstrom
14. Tavares
15. Crosby
16. Giroux
17. Scheifle
18. Barzal

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Just thought I would lay out some info on Matthews defensively against the other top centers out there, including those known for their D.

Getting sick of folks saying he's not somehow good defensively.

Defensive ranking of top centers in the game from 2018-today (data via natural stat trick):

Lowest 5v5 Shots Against/60:

1. Bergeron
2. O'Reilly
3. Couturier
4. Crosby
5. Mackinnon
6. Barzal
7. Kopitar
8. Matthews
9. Barkov
10. Eichel
11. Tavares
12. Larkin
13. McDavid
14. Draisaitl
15. Scheifele

Lowest 5v5 Shots Against/60 REL:

1. Couturier
2. Bergeron
3. Crosby
4. O'Reilly
5. Matthews
6. Larkin
7. Kopitar
8. Barzal
9. Mackinnon
10. Barkov
11. Eichel
12. Tavares
13. Scheifele
14. McDavid
15. Draisaitl

Lowest 5v5 High Danger Chances Against/60:

1. Bergeron
2. O'Reilly
3. Mackinnon
4. Matthews
5. Crosby
6. Couturier
7. Eichel
8. Barkov
9. Tavares
10. Kopitar
11. Barzal
12. Larkin
13. McDavid
14. Draisaitl
15. Scheifele

Lowest 5v5 High Danger Chances Against/60 REL:

1. Matthews
2. Eichel
3. Couturier
4. Crosby
5. Bergeron
6. Kopitar
7. Mackinnon
8. Barkov
9. O'Reilly
10. Larkin
11. Tavares
12. Barzal
13. Scheifele
14. McDavid
15. Draisaitl

Lowest 5v5 Expected Goals Against/60:

1. Bergeron
2. O'Reilly
3. Mackinnon
4. Couturier
5. Eichel
6. Crosby
7. Barzal
8. Matthews
9. Larkin
10. Tavares
11. Kopitar
12. Barkov
13. Draisaitl
14. McDavid
15. Scheifele

Lowest 5v5 Expected Goals Against/60 REL:

1. Bergeron
2. Couturier
3. Larkin
4. O'Reilly
5. Eichel
6. Crosby
7. Matthews
8. Mackinnon
9. Kopitar
10. Tavares
11. Barzal
12. Barkov
13. Scheifele
14. Draisaitl
15. McDavid

Takeaways/60:

1. Matthews
2. O'Reilly
3. Barkov
4. McDavid
5. Barzal
6. Draisaitl
7. Scheifele
8. Bergeron
9. Crosby
10. Tavares
11. Larkin
12. Mackinnon
13. Kopitar
14. Eichel
15. Couturier

Blocked Shots/60:

1. Matthews
2. Bergeron
3. Kopitar
4. Barkov
5. Eichel
6. Scheifele
7. Barzal
8. Tavares
9. Crosby
10. Larkin
11. Couturier
12. Mackinnon
13. O'Reilly
14. McDavid
15. Draisaitl

This also tells me Couturier deserves a lot more respect. Not that he already isn't known as a great defensive player.

 

[egd27]

5 years ago today.

Maple Leafs win first pick in 2016 NHL draft

Happy Anniversary!!!

 

[kb]

5 years ago today.

Maple Leafs win first pick in 2016 NHL draft

Happy Anniversary!!!

If they only would have drafted the better player in Laine....

 

[TopChedder]

These numbers are MVP caliber.

Don't tell the mainboards because you will hurt the feelings of the posters hanging off McDavids jockstrap.

 

[TopChedder]

If they only would have drafted the better player in Laine....

Can you imagine if the Oil had drafted him and could put out a line of

Matthews McDavid Drai

Holy crap

 

[crump]

He’s....

Good

 

[Twine Tickler]

These numbers are MVP caliber.

If only someone could Nancy Kerrigan McJesus, he might actually get an MVP one day.

 

[zeke]

If only someone could Nancy Kerrigan McJesus, he might actually get an MVP one day.

It's funny that everyone now thinks the Hart trophy just automatically goes to the Art Ross winner.

 

[Leafsfan74]

I still chuckle from time to time when a couple of years ago I had to take a position against some posters suggesting the Leafs trade Matthews.

If he and Marner stay together their entire careers, not only would they both find the Hall of Fame and rewrite the Leafs career stat record books, they could potentially win a Cup or three.

The perpetual situation of being up against the Cap, must be met with with a comparable development of new top talent. If so, the chase starts this year.

 

[Twine Tickler]

It's funny that everyone now thinks the Hart trophy just automatically goes to the Art Ross winner.

its not automatically given to the Art Ross winner. It's given to the player who is the most dominant player in the game for that season. Hard to think anyone has had a more dominating year than McDavid. He will win the Hart, and deservedly so. Auston has nothing to be ashamed about. There have been far less spectacular season's that have won the award. Taylor Hall's MVP year instantly comes to mind as one that doesn't compare to Auston's season this year. Unfortunately for Auston, Conner is having a year that we haven't seen in ages. He is scoring at a 144pt pace over an 82 game season. Anyone who thinks that Conner getting the Hart purely because he put up the most pts is delusional IMO. He clearly has been the most dominant player in the game this year, and without him in the oilers lineup they are likely not even a playoff team. I'm not sure what other credentials he needs to have to make him more worthy. Again, I am stoked with Auston's year. He has been everything a Leaf fan could possibly dream of. He doesn't need a Hart trophy to validate what he has accomplished this year

 

[Petrus]

If only someone could Nancy Kerrigan McJesus, he might actually get an MVP one day.

When Ovie won the MVPs he did it with ~55 goals
and ~105 points. He was also 2nd in points during those times he won it. It’s not impossible.