Recalled/Assigned: Aube-Kubel and Goulbourne up, Vorobyev down

[kudymen]

Why would you think he can keep up in the NHL?

I got a theory

 

[flyersjim73]

Every time Hakstol breaths is a waste of life.

I spent $5,000 on season tickets. I’ll be making a phone call tomorrow. f*** HIM. f*** DAVE HAMSTOL.

 

[Beef Invictus]

There is no way I would shell out that much to watch a Hakstol team.

 

[deadhead]

Goul, Weise, whatever, we're talking bodies.

NAK is the one that matters, is he ready to take the next step up?

This applies to all the AHL prospects, including Vorobyev, they have NHL talent, but they have to take the next step, get a shot, take advantage of it and make it hard for Ron to send you back down.

 

[Adtar02]

Goul, Weise, whatever, we're talking bodies.

NAK is the one that matters, is he ready to take the next step up?

This applies to all the AHL prospects, including Vorobyev, they have NHL talent, but they have to take the next step, get a shot, take advantage of it and make it hard for Ron to send you back down.

That’s a problem. In its self. You have to make it hard for Ron to send you back down. We have players who are worse playing but they don’t. This is why fans are frustrated.

 

[Laveuglette]

Happy to see NAK getting a shot. Curious to see what he can bring and wish him the best. Goul is probably there to rign a few bells and it's kinda needed atm. I don't get the overreaction. Nobody said they would fix all the problems.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Weise is a Hak fav, so doubt he sits.

But I guess a line of Ghoul Torgo NAK could be fun.

 

[Striiker]

Didn't read the rest of the thread, but I'll toss a hot take out there:

I don't mind the Vorobyev for NAK swap. Honestly, since the first few games Vorobyev has been underwhelming and (as much as it pains me to say it) I think Weal has done about as well in the 3C role (if not a little better). Obviously Vorobyev isn't getting playing time with Hakstol here, so might as well send him down where I expected him to be this year anyway (before his hot preseason).

I felt NAK earned a shot last year anyway. Plus, he's a perfect 4th line winger fit, especially when everyones healthy again. I said it before, I want Raffl-Laughton-NAK as the 4th line.

Goulbourne, on the other hand... Are they f***ed in the head? I know there's some cavemen on here who love this kind of move but it's 2018...

 

[1865]

Both of them suspended within a week.

 

[Asnito]

What a fall from grace for Shill Meltzer. I remember when his articles were the go to for flyers news and analysis because whether negative or positive he told it like how he felt. Now that he has a cushy job with the organization, he shills so hard for them no matter what they do. Seriously, this team could trade Sanheim for Karl alzner and he'd write a two page article gushing over how brilliant of a move it is by hextall. I get he probably can't trash the organization, but he goes way over the top in his defense of every single thing this team does. Hey Shill, if you still have a hfboard account, can you explain why this team is stuck in mediocrity the last 5 years with zero end in sight if every move made by the front office and coach is brilliant?

You really need to stop beating around the bush and let him know what you really think

 

[hatcher]

He can't keep up in the AHL. Why would you think he can keep up in the NHL?

He's fine.

 

[Beef Invictus]

He's fine.

Being bad is "fine?"

 

[deadhead]

That’s a problem. In its self. You have to make it hard for Ron to send you back down. We have players who are worse playing but they don’t. This is why fans are frustrated.

It's not a problem at all.
Players like Weise are scratched most games, AMac is now glued to the bench, you want a young player in that role?

Real prospects play or go down to play, but you don't want them playing 8-10 minute and get scratched every third game.

Players like Leier or Goul are no different than Weise, you're not worried about their development b/c they're not in your future plans.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's not a problem at all.
Players like Weise are scratched most games, AMac is now glued to the bench, you want a young player in that role?

Real prospects play or go down to play, but you don't want them playing 8-10 minute and get scratched every third game.

Players like Leier or Goul are no different than Weise, you're not worried about their development b/c they're not in your future plans.

Playing 8 out of 11 games qualifies as being scratched most games?

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Didn't read the rest of the thread, but I'll toss a hot take out there:

I don't mind the Vorobyev for NAK swap. Honestly, since the first few games Vorobyev has been underwhelming and (as much as it pains me to say it) I think Weal has done about as well in the 3C role (if not a little better). Obviously Vorobyev isn't getting playing time with Hakstol here, so might as well send him down where I expected him to be this year anyway (before his hot preseason).

I felt NAK earned a shot last year anyway. Plus, he's a perfect 4th line winger fit, especially when everyones healthy again. I said it before, I want Raffl-Laughton-NAK as the 4th line.

Goulbourne, on the other hand... Are they ****ed in the head? I know there's some cavemen on here who love this kind of move but it's 2018...

I'd guess that most people are fine with Vorobyev for NAK in a vacuum but aren't happy with how the former has been handled by the team so far this year, coupled with Dave's public comments about him yesterday.

And Goulbourne, of course.

 

[Striiker]

I'd guess that most people are fine with Vorobyev for NAK in a vacuum but aren't happy with how the former has been handled by the team so far this year, coupled with Dave's public comments about him yesterday.

And Goulbourne, of course.

Oh yeah, that’s a given, Hakstol misused him like crazy because he has no clue how to develop players.

I was just thinking from a roster impact perspective.

 

[deadhead]

Playing 8 out of 11 games qualifies as being scratched most games?

Weise played 46 of 82 games last year.
When JVR returns, he'll start getting benched, when Raffl returns, he may never dress again.
If NAK plays well, that will get him scratched on a regular basis.

We started this season with Lehtera, Weal, Knight and Weise as the 12th to 15th forwards.
We lost two forwards to injury (replaced Vorobyev with NAK), so instead of one, three of these four (Knight or Goul) have to dress.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Weise played 46 of 82 games last year.
When JVR returns, he'll start getting benched, when Raffl returns, he may never dress again.
If NAK plays well, that will get him scratched on a regular basis.

We started this season with Lehtera, Weal, Knight and Weise as the 12th to 15th forwards.
We lost two forwards to injury (replaced Vorobyev with NAK), so instead of one, three of these four (Knight or Goul) have to dress.

Last year isn't this year. Hakstol makes bad decisions and fixates on bad players. Past precedent indicates he'll keep Weise in for as long as possible.

 

[deadhead]

Yes, we've had a rash of injuries to start the season.
Seasons have their own logic, Hextall could make some TDL trades and/or kids in the AHL could be promoted.
But players like Weise and Lehtera are veteran depth that you can sit for weeks if need be.

Right now we're missing 2 of our top 11 forwards, and Vorobyev was a flop. So 3 of the 11 we started the season with are out.
NAK will get a shot to replace Vorobyev, JVR returns in about 2 weeks, Raffl in December?
As we get players back, everyone moves down the food chain.
And if Rubtsov or Twarynski or Vorobyev or Kase or even Bunnaman have a hot 3 month stretch, they may force a promotion.
But you don't promote a prospect to be the 13th forward.

 

[hatcher]

Being bad is "fine?"

He's not bad he not astar that's all. Getting attitude on the team if what they need but turn them loose.

 

[Beef Invictus]

He's not bad he not astar that's all. Getting attitude on the team if what they need but turn them loose.

He's not just "not a star," he's flat-out not NHL caliber. Not even at a basic 4th line level.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

But Stevens was fired. More than we can say about Hakstol

He was. But Snider gave him the ultimatum. Fire Stevens or you can go with him

 

[Limeyjim]

The promising young players from LV seem to come to the Flyers full of energy and talent, but Hakstol and his lousy staff seems to bury the energy and talent under their worthless game plan. They eventually get sent back to the AHL for more playing time.
Hakstol and his staff must go!

 

[Stop the Madness]

incredible

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Ron Hextall doing Hank Hakstool things.