ATD 2021 Draft Thread IV

[The Macho King]

Yes, but they're not being excluded just because they deviate from the meta, which was my point. I think there's some logic in having the "less interested" parties have weight at that level. Obviously it is somewhat arbitrary, but that can't be avoided at this stage.

First tiebreak - number of games won.

Second tiebreak - find another voter.

Third tiebreak - Opposite Conference votes.

Fourth tiebreak - try harder to find another voter.

Fifth tiebreak - Games won by the opposing conference

Sixth Tiebreak - honestly I'd prefer a coinflip to Three Stars voting, but this is the one to hash out.

This is the procedure we largely agreed to. Issue was on the three stars voting. I'll need to confer with the rosters to make sure I get the conferences right, but I would like to find another voter.

I won't vote because of sanctity of the process, but we need another voter for New Jersey Swamp Devils v. Guelph Platers.

Participation was down this round so I am opening to more votes from qualified voters for 4 hours. I have tagged the previous voters who did not submit ballots this round.

@Dirt 101 @benchbrawl @ImporterExporter @overpass @Habsfan18 @RustyRazor @Voight

I will tally any additional votes I get by 3:28 PM ET and post the final results then.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

This is the procedure we largely agreed to. Issue was on the three stars voting. I'll need to confer with the rosters to make sure I get the conferences right, but I would like to find another voter.

I won't vote because of sanctity of the process, but we need another voter for New Jersey Swamp Devils v. Guelph Platers.

Participation was down this round so I am opening to more votes from qualified voters for 4 hours.

@Dirt 101 @benchbrawl @ImporterExporter @overpass @Habsfan18 @RustyRazor @Voight

I will tally any additional votes I get by 3:28 PM ET and post the final results then.

BenchBrawl goes by @zffssk now.

 

[The Macho King]

BenchBrawl goes by @zffssk now.

Thanks for that.

Edit: Also correct me if I'm wrong but the other series result is final as of the deadline even though voting is open for this one, correct? Would feel inequitable otherwise.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Thanks for that.

Edit: Also correct me if I'm wrong but the other series result is final as of the deadline even though voting is open for this one, correct? Would feel inequitable otherwise.

My thought would be if you get multiple votes and it changes the result of the other series then go with that, but if it results in a tie then default to the initial winner as of the deadline, but I don't think this has ever been discussed/agreed. In fact, from my memory when there was an additional vote needed we weren't even informed which series it was for.

 

[The Macho King]

My thought would be if you get multiple votes and it changes the result of the other series then go with that, but if it results in a tie then default to the initial winner as of the deadline, but I don't think this has ever been discussed/agreed. In fact, from my memory when there was an additional vote needed we weren't even informed which series it was for.

We extend the deadlines for tie breaks. Feels odd to have that change the results of series that would otherwise be completed.

The outcome of the tied series shouldn't upset the results from the other.

 

[ChiTownPhilly]

@Dirt 101 @benchbrawl @ImporterExporter @overpass @Habsfan18 @RustyRazor @Voight

I will tally any additional votes I get by 3:28 PM ET and post the final results then.

Good on you.

However, we should remember that common-cur members like us have a tag-limit of three. Therefore, I'd request that a PoohBah re-tag these participants.

 

[ImporterExporter]

I apologize for not voting on the other series. Obviously everyone is aware of the ordeal I went through and quite frankly I didn't read much of anything the past 2 weeks here and it wouldn't have been fair to cast a vote without putting the time and effort in.

I'll vote on the finals, provided I'm bounced this round as I expect to be not having taken part.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

We extend the deadlines for tie breaks. Feels odd to have that change the results of series that would otherwise be completed.

The outcome of the tied series shouldn't upset the results from the other.

As I said, in the past when a tiebreak was needed I don't believe we were informed for which series, so I really don't know whether those tiebreak votes that came in were applied to only the one series or to all. Perhaps @Theokritos can shed some light on this.

BTW, I understand what you're saying about the deadline being honored, but there's also an argument for having the same people vote on both series. There are points to both sides, and I'm fine either way, my suggestion would be to go with whatever was done in the past.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I had decided not to vote for this round, and didn't have a chance to read the series. Now that I know the balance of power would be in my hands, it makes it even more unethical. Therefore, I am cancelling my votes.

 

[ChiTownPhilly]

zffssk: voting "present."
ImporterExporter: Putting in an abstention.
Dirt101: closing in on 3am Local Time for him- probably not gonna happen.

@Habsfan18
@RustyRazor
@Voight
a- overpass...

Feel The Power!

 

[Theokritos]

As I said, in the past when a tiebreak was needed I don't believe we were informed for which series, so I really don't know whether those tiebreak votes that came in were applied to only the one series or to all. Perhaps @Theokritos can shed some light on this.

I'm struggling to actually remember occasions when a tie-breaking vote was added. The only one I can think of right now was five months ago in a smaller draft where I tried (in vain!) to get a tie-breaking vote from a non-participant, but in my PM to the prospective tie-breaking voter I singled out the series he would be asked to break the tie on. I didn't put the other series up for debate.

 

[The Macho King]

BTW it's kinda awesome that both series needed tiebreakers.

 

[ImporterExporter]

I feel like my damn bout with covid completely derailed this entire thing lol. I'm genuinely sorry this seems to have hit a roadblock. I'd much rather have been here doing the normal back and forth than dealing with a damn virus.

 

[ResilientBeast]

I feel like my damn bout with covid completely derailed this entire thing lol. I'm genuinely sorry this seems to have hit a roadblock. I'd much rather have been here doing the normal back and forth than dealing with a damn virus.

Party like it's 1919

On a more serious note happy to see you active and around

 

[The Macho King]

Will post final results in 20 minutes.

 

[The Macho King]

RED FISCHER CONFERENCE FINALS

ORILLIA TERRIERS defeat Pittsburgh AC in 7 Games.

First Star: Wayne Gretzky
Second Star: Bobby Orr
Third Star: Jacques Plante

JIM COLEMAN CONFERENCE FINALS

GUELPH PLATERS defeat New Jersey Swamp Devils in 7 Games in a Double OT Thriller!

First Star: Jean Beliveau
Second Star: Alex Ovechkin
Third Star: Ken Dryden

ATD 2021 Finals

Guelph Platers (1) v. Orillia Terriers (2)

 

[ResilientBeast]

Two deserving GMs who would be first time champs, looks like a good final.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Two veterans playing for their first championship in the Finals. Couldn't happen to better guys than Dreakmur and BraveCanadian. Also, both of them were 2nd seeds in their series.

Shows that it's still possible to win in an upset, if you show up and argue for your team.

Congrats to both IE and TDMM, who once again build top-notch teams who would have been worthy finalists.

Disclaimer: I cancelled my vote for this round.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Wow! Super close series!

 

[rmartin65]

Congrats to @Dreakmur and @BraveCanadian !

 

[ImporterExporter]

Congrats to @Dreakmur

Well deserved win sir. Good luck in the finals!

 

[The Macho King]

Seriously insanely close. Great teams all around.

One more round and I'm done with this bookkeeping disaster!

 

[tabness]

Congrats to both finalists!

 

[nabby12]

Congrats @BraveCanadian ! Good luck in the finals!

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Congratulations to @BraveCanadian and @Dreakmur. To me, the essence of the draft is the honest presentation of research, and you guys have both been excellent representatives of this ideal for a number of years.