Prospect Info: At 16th Overall the Rangers Select Brennan Othmann

[duhmetreE]

Seems like a good time to bump his thread in case anyone hasn't been following him in the prospects thread. After his 1+2 night tonight he has a line of 14-13-27 in 17 games. Perhaps most impressively, his team has scored just 59 times--meaning he has contributed on a whopping 46% of his team's goals. He really looks great out there each night.

can he make the jump next season and be our Farabee?

 

[JohnC]

Seems we’ve really been lacking quality CHL prospects over the years.

Which of our CHL forwards had the most impressive season before Duke put up 50 (not counting Laf obviously)? St. Croix?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Seems we’ve really been lacking quality CHL prospects over the years.

Which of our CHL forwards had the most impressive season before Duke put up 50 (not counting Laf obviously)? St. Croix?

Christian Thomas scored 50 in his D+1 season.

Grachev looked like a monster too.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Seems we’ve really been lacking quality CHL prospects over the years.

Which of our CHL forwards had the most impressive season before Duke put up 50 (not counting Laf obviously)? St. Croix?

Ty Ronning overager season?

 

[RangerBoy]

Seems we’ve really been lacking quality CHL prospects over the years.

Which of our CHL forwards had the most impressive season before Duke put up 50 (not counting Laf obviously)? St. Croix?

Christian Dube. He won some CHL player of the year award after the Rangers selected him.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Had a guy i played hockey with call me up and tell me he's watching this guy and he can't believe someone never picked him before us. Said he watched 4 games of his this year and he was by far the best in those games.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Christian Thomas scored 50 in his D+1 season.

Grachev looked like a monster too.

I still maintain we ruined Grachev

 

[nyr2k2]

I still maintain we ruined Grachev

I don't see it. He ran roughshod over the OHL because of his size/speed combo. Not sure sending him back for a year would have encouraged any further development. He'd have just been a year stronger. I don't know what else we could have done with him.

He never even became more than a mediocre player in the KHL, which is where ruined prospects go to flourish. I think he was just not that good.

 

[Roo Returns]

I don't see it. He ran roughshod over the OHL because of his size/speed combo. Not sure sending him back for a year would have encouraged any further development. He'd have just been a year stronger. I don't know what else we could have done with him.

He never even became more than a mediocre player in the KHL, which is where ruined prospects go to flourish. I think he was just not that good.

His agent fed into his ego or he demanded his agent ask the Rangers for him to stick. I remember going to a preseason game in 2009 (the one with porn stache Matt Maccrone playing). Grachev could not process the game at the level that was needed.

He should have been sent back to the OHL immediately.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I was as big a Grachev stan as there was, but even I knew that he was riding Matt Duchene's coattails then. The question would have been for me if he could replicate that success playing with Gomez or Drury. He was never given that chance. He had potential to be a solid complementary piece in the top 9.

He rode coattails and the Rangers didn't handle him well. Both were true, IMO.

 

[Synergy27]

I was as big a Grachev stan as there was, but even I knew that he was riding Matt Duchene's coattails then. The question would have been for me if he could replicate that success playing with Gomez or Drury. He was never given that chance. He had potential to be a solid complementary piece in the top 9.

He rode coattails and the Rangers didn't handle him well. Both were true, IMO.

Cody Hodgson was on that line too. I was a big Grachev fan as well but in hindsight it’s pretty clear that he was riding coattails AND simply more physically developed than the league he was playing in.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Cody Hodgson was on that line too. I was a big Grachev fan as well but in hindsight it’s pretty clear that he was riding coattails AND simply more physically developed than the league he was playing in.

What happened to Cody Hodgson? I haven't heard his name in a while. Did he bust?

 

[nyr2k2]

What happened to Cody Hodgson? I haven't heard his name in a while. Did he bust?

He had a couple of good years in Buffalo but then his game fell apart. He was diagnosed with some disease and retired after that.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

He had a couple of good years in Buffalo but then his game fell apart. He was diagnosed with some disease and retired after that.

Oh that sucks, didn't he start he career in Vancouver?

 

[Levitate]

There was a falling out with Vancouver over how they handled some back injury Hodgson had. I believe that was when AV was there and he basically called out Hodgson for being weak and not playing through the injury (which I believe was pretty debilitating)

 

[alkurtz]

I remember someone on TSN, perhaps Bob McKenzie, saying that Grachev was so good "that not even the Rangers can ruin him." Perhaps the lesson to be learned is that measuring how fast players think and process the game is perhaps the most difficult attribute to measure in young players. In juniors players can get by with raw physical talent, "smarts" is of lesser importance. But to succeed at a higher level you need that illusive "hockey smarts."

 

[nyr2k2]

I remember someone on TSN, perhaps Bob McKenzie, saying that Grachev was so good "that not even the Rangers can ruin him." Perhaps the lesson to be learned is that measuring how fast players think and process the game is perhaps the most difficult attribute to measure in young players. In juniors players can get by with raw physical talent, "smarts" is of lesser importance. But to succeed at a higher level you need that illusive "hockey smarts."

This is exactly right and it's also why I still don't think another OHL season would have helped him. In all likelihood he would have just continued to get by on his physical tools alone. Moreover, his inability to process the game at professional speeds wouldn't have really been helped, either. It just wasn't meant to be with him, IMO.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

With this Othmann pick who a lot of people were questioning, I feel like Drury's arrow is pointing up. I don't even remember who the other guys we drafted were though.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Othmann is absolutely crushing it the last bunch of games with 14 points in the last 6 games, all while playing on a terrible team. He's factored in on 14 of the teams 26 goals over that span.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

With this Othmann pick who a lot of people were questioning, I feel like Drury's arrow is pointing up. I don't even remember who the other guys we drafted were though.

Korzak is the other one having a pretty good year.

Grubbe was the first pick of the 3rd round and may end up becoming a Boyle esque player. He was taken a pick ahead of Sasha Pastujov who is destroying the OHL this year as well. That one is going to haunt me for a while.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Serious question, what’s the odds he gets traded to Kingston at some point this season?

 

[Edge]

Serious question, what’s the odds he gets traded to Kingston at some point this season?

Decent.

 

[Synergy27]

I remember someone on TSN, perhaps Bob McKenzie, saying that Grachev was so good "that not even the Rangers can ruin him." Perhaps the lesson to be learned is that measuring how fast players think and process the game is perhaps the most difficult attribute to measure in young players. In juniors players can get by with raw physical talent, "smarts" is of lesser importance. But to succeed at a higher level you need that illusive "hockey smarts."

You'd think someone would have devised a test of some sort for this by now. It's such a critical component of successful players, and really what separates the stars from the JAGs. Except for a few physical outliers like McDavid and Ovechkin, of course.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You'd think someone would have devised a test of some sort for this by now. It's such a critical component of successful players, and really what separates the stars from the JAGs. Except for a few physical outliers like McDavid and Ovechkin, of course.

The NFL tries to do this with the Wonderlick but in my view it's stupid. It's a test of academic acumen not football acumen.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Cody Hodgson was on that line too. I was a big Grachev fan as well but in hindsight it’s pretty clear that he was riding coattails AND simply more physically developed than the league he was playing in.

Hodgson was garbage, slow and plodding.