Astros punishments: Hinch and Luhnow suspended and fired, team loses 1st and 2nd picks in 2020, 2021

[Voight]

And the Oscar goes to..........................

The Academy really screwed up with their nominations today

 

[Emperoreddy]

Hinch and Cora should both be banned for life

 

[IU Hawks fan]

This penalty does nothing to affect their ability to compete this year, which is complete bull**** in my mind.

I think every player found to be involved should've gotten 20 games, and if that isn't possible, simply deduct 15 wins. Like when a soccer team is deducted points for financial foul play to ensure they are likely relegated.

But, MLB is a business much more so than the EFL or FA are, so they're not going to damage a franchise/market like that.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

So, will Hinch and Cora find jobs when their year is up?

 

[Terry Yake]

the league was not going to suspend players. that would've set off a battle between the league and players union and it would've gotten messy

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

Man I was so happy Beltran won a WS, but he can go f*** himself. I get that he's not going to be suspended as he was a player at the time, but still.

 

[PG Canuck]

So, will Hinch and Cora find jobs when their year is up?

Probably. I don't see why Hinch/Luhnow will struggle to find jobs.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

The other thing is reading the beat writers, they're all saying it's so harsh. I don't think it's that bad. They get to get the World Series, no players got in trouble, and it's a minimal suspension for the front office. If I'm Hinch I trade the suspension for the ring...

 

[Terry Yake]

The other thing is reading the beat writers, they're all saying it's so harsh. I don't think it's that bad. They get to get the World Series, no players got in trouble, and it's a minimal suspension for the front office. If I'm Hinch I trade the suspension for the ring...

yeah. i don't get how anyone can call this harsh

the worst thing for them was losing two first round picks. that'll do some damage to their farm system but again, who wouldn't trade that for a WS title?

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

As a Marlins fan, I didn't know some other team could be as much of circus as the Marlins under Loria. But this situation is quite an impressive screw up. Good job Astros. lol

 

[Canes]

Pretty much a nothingburger penalty. If I'm a team that's never won a World Series, I'm cheating hard from now on knowing you'll get to keep your championship.

 

[TOGuy14]

Super weak penalty, especially compared to the penalty the Braves got.

Cheating is a slap on the wrist in MLB

If you asked any sports franchise in any league if they would trade two 1st, two 2nds and 5M for a championship every single one would say yes, and sign me up again next year.

Teams send more prospects and picks out every year at the trade deadline in the HOPES of maybe being a playoff contender and now MLB has just made it cheaper to find creative ways to cheat your way to the win

 

[David Dennison]

I know the slot money is important too, but two picks out of 40 rounds rings especially hollow.

 

[GindyDraws]

the league was not going to suspend players. that would've set off a battle between the league and players union and it would've gotten messy

And given the MLB's inevitable war with Minor League Baseball this year, the last thing they needed was another fight with the players association.

Anyway, I'm kinda relieved it's over. Astros needed the punishment, and you needed a precedent placed to try and discourage this, but it won't matter to other people who'll (rightfully and otherwise) want more and more kinds of punishment.

I just wants to know; does Cora get the lifetime ban?

 

[Filthy Dangles]

funny how pete rose was banned for life for betting on games but a team that cheats their way to a WS title gets a slap on the wrist

I'm not an Astro or Red Sock fan but yeah betting on games in which you are involved in and can manipulate is a lot worse than electronic sign stealing.

 

[Terry Yake]

i feel bad for darvish

guy was convinced he was tipping his pitches in the WS and it took him an entire year to get back on track

 

[DJ Spinoza]

Talk about passing the buck - good lord. I posted earlier in the thread that Hinch was sympathetic, but you can also find exceedingly arrogant video from him back in the playoffs when he was asked about it. And Cora is being set up to be run over with a bulldozer.

f*** all of them.

 

[Tecumseh]

Glad this is over. I like everyone was expecting more. I along with other Astros fans are pissed that Hinch and especially Luhnow got fired. Will those 2 find jobs elsewhere? Or will they be blacklisted? I think Luhnow would be worth hiring.

They’re done. I don’t think any franchise is going to want to employ cheaters who got caught red handed

 

[NJDevs26]

Pretty much a nothingburger penalty. If I'm a team that's never won a World Series, I'm cheating hard from now on knowing you'll get to keep your championship.

Except as a GM and manager you don't want to get suspended and blackballed for life. PLAYERS it won't stop from cheating but it's gonna have to be more individualized and not something that is institutionalized.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

Talk about passing the buck - good lord. I posted earlier in the thread that Hinch was sympathetic, but you can also find exceedingly arrogant video from him back in the playoffs when he was asked about it. And Cora is being set up to be run over with a bulldozer.

**** all of them.

Hinch's quotes from before pissed me off so much. Like I 100% can buy that it wasn't his idea and he even tried sabotaging the monitors to prevent it, but he knew they were cheating and were continuing to cheat and then feigned ignorance and didn't tell anyone. Just lol.

I can guarantee Hinch's comments will be the same " I am not a cheater and was strongly against the idea but I failed to properly report the illegal actions of a lower-level employee and players and for that I am sorry and accept responsibility". 100% that will be his statement.

 

[These Are The Days]

f*** MLB. f*** the Astros. And f*** Red Sox Houston is a class city with class people. I loved the brief time I was there. Boston the same but I haven't been there and have heard nothing but good. But their sports teams can go straight to hell. Boston is so consistently dirty it makes me sick.


Absolute f***ing joke that Hinch, Luhnow were not banned for life on top of the fine, on top of the picks and on top of a loss of free-agent rights. On that note, I hope Cora eats a lifetime ban.

 

[Emperoreddy]

No one is sympathetic from that team. Luhnow and Hitch should not get new jobs in baseball when the suspensions are lifted.

 

[542365]

I think the punishments are appropriate. You can’t make them vacate a title or anything crazy like that.

I like that the MLB hands out pretty severe punishments for things they don’t want in the game anymore. PEDs(once they actually started caring about it), domestic violence, the Cardinals hacking thing, this mess with the Astros. Other leagues hand out incredibly soft punishments by comparison(which is why the Pats continue to cheat every season).

Fining organizations that bring in millions every season doesn’t do anything. Taking draft picks, lengthy suspensions, and firings is how you get someone’s attention.

 

[These Are The Days]

And the Oscar goes to..........................

The Academy really screwed up with their nominations today

He's got a career in politics this one. Eat shit Hinch

 

[These Are The Days]

I think the punishments are appropriate. You can’t make them vacate a title or anything crazy like that.

I like that the MLB hands out pretty severe punishments for things they don’t want in the game anymore. PEDs(once they actually started caring about it), domestic violence, the Cardinals hacking thing, this mess with the Astros. Other leagues hand out incredibly soft punishments by comparison(which is why the Pats continue to cheat every season).

Fining organizations that bring in millions every season doesn’t do anything. Taking draft picks, lengthy suspensions, and firings is how you get someone’s attention.

Me too but this was not severe. The Astros are built well enough to where they could probably win the World Series legitimately this year in spite of the penalties.