Player Discussion Artyom Zub (D) [Page 4 Senators sign from KHL]

[DrEasy]

What was his pre Covid price ?

Why does it matter? He was a FA; we could have outbid Winnipeg if we wanted to.

Pocket the draft pick AND re-sign the player as a cheaper FA post-COVID: could have been a great operation.

 

[Imnotagoodposter]

DeMelo is not an answer here. He wasn’t great, he was a surprise and fine for us, but not a player I would have wanted to sign for 3+ years.

Let him go.

The guys we have now are placeholders for the kids coming as soon as later in the season and next season. DeMelo would not have been that guy.

There shouldn’t be much confusion in regards to the players that left. They either weren’t in the team’s rebuild plans, they didn’t want to be in a rebuild plan, or both.

Mystery solved.

Hey Melnyk, I respectfully disagree

 

[topshelf15]

What was his pre Covid price ?

Lol....10 mil a season

 

[Sweatred]

DeMelo is not an answer here. He wasn’t great, he was a surprise and fine for us, but not a player I would have wanted to sign for 3+ years.

Let him go.

The guys we have now are placeholders for the kids coming as soon as later in the season and next season. DeMelo would not have been that guy.

There shouldn’t be much confusion in regards to the players that left. They either weren’t in the team’s rebuild plans, they didn’t want to be in a rebuild plan, or both.

Mystery solved.

Simple ... well said.

 

[DJB]

It's time we give Zub a shot and see what we have here.

I see no reason why he can't play instead of Coburn, Rielly or Brown

 

[barriers]

Zub is potentially making his NHL debut tonight and he hasn't been mentioned in his own thread over the past page and a half. Any word on Chabot's status tonight and he likeliness of Zub coming in?

 

[GCK]

Why does it matter? He was a FA; we could have outbid Winnipeg if we wanted to.

Pocket the draft pick AND re-sign the player as a cheaper FA post-COVID: could have been a great operation.

DeMelo didn’t get to UFA. He resigned 2 days before FA opened.

 

[GCK]

Hopefully we see Zub tonight. He might not be better than what we have but he needs a shot.

 

[Sweatred]

I’d like to see him. I worry that some of the second wave of rookies we will start to see may not be any better than the vets everyone is constantly complaining about.

 

[GCK]

I’d like to see him. I worry that some of these second wave of rookies we will start to see may not be any better than the vets everyone is constantly complaining about.

The difference is the kids will hopefully improve while the dilapidated vets will continue to decline.

 

[Sweatred]

The difference is the kids will hopefully improve while the dilapidated vets will continue to decline.

That’s the hope - I’m curious to see where Zub and Brann’s game are vs Reilly and Colbourn.

 

[topshelf15]

Those guys trying to defend this team,s terrible asset management, are either blind or have some other motive....
The enviroment for us losing quality players for less than market value lies solely at management/ownership,s feet...What happens when one of our very little talent like BT demands a trade???Will he become a cancer like so many others???This rebuild have been done terribly ,and is a complete sham

 

[Crosside]

Hopefully we see Zub tonight. He might not be better than what we have but he needs a shot.

I wonder if we see Zub tonight if Chabot play tonight

 

[GCK]

Those guys trying to defend this team,s terrible asset management, are either blind or have some other motive....
The enviroment for us losing quality players for less than market value lies solely at management/ownership,s feet...What happens when one of our very little talent like BT demands a trade???Will he become a cancer like so many others???This rebuild have been done terribly ,and is a complete sham

There have been good moves, bad moves, lucky moves and unlucky moves. Anyone criticizing or defending every move is pretty obtuse and should be ignored.

 

[GCK]

I wonder if we see Zub tonight if Chabot play tonight

I’d like Zub in for Gudbranson or Brown regardless of Chabot.

 

[Crosside]

I don’t understand, yesterday DJ talk about Zub like his god and we don’t see him yet

 

[Sweatred]

I’d like Zub in for Gudbranson or Brown regardless of Chabot.

I’d like to see him play before considering anything too bold. He could make Reilly look reliable.

Edit - ahhh... I think you mean if Chabot plays tonight.

 

[topshelf15]

There have been good moves, bad moves, lucky moves and unlucky moves. Anyone criticizing or defending every move is pretty obtuse and should be ignored.

Been a decade of mushy middle or worse....When is ok to start demanding better???

 

[BatherSeason]

I’d like to see him play before considering anything too bold. He could make Reilly look reliable.

Edit - ahhh... I think you mean if Chabot plays tonight.

Scratching Gud or Brown is bold? Pretty sure every other team in the league would do this.

 

[Sweatred]

Scratching Gud or Brown is bold? Pretty sure every other team in the league would do this.

I read his first quote as more of a permanent change -

 

[GCK]

Been a decade of mushy middle or worse....When is ok to start demanding better???

Demanding better is always good but the blanket criticism even on good moves is as bad as anyone who defends every move. I fall on the optimistic side but clearly some moves were terrible at the time. Picking up Gudbranson after Josh Brown was dumb, it should have been one or the other. I hated the Murray acquisition, I wanted a UFA or Korpisalo. Playing Anisimov was clearly dumb. At the same time I liked picking up one of Brown/Gudbranson, I liked the Tampa trade because we gained a 2nd, I love DJ playing Norris and Bath on the first line and 1st PP. I love having Stutzle here playing as I believe he has the character and compete that losing in the NHL will not hamper his development. The Stepan trade wasn’t terrible at the time but he isn’t close to the player he was in the bubble and it really was unnecessary.

Dorion can do better and should be held to account but he could have definitely done worse. The early view of taking Sanderson at 5 looks like a good choice even though most of us had different preferences. I’d give him a a C grade which could move to a B if they integrate Brann, Forms and Brown by the end of the year.

 

[Tuna99]

Zub meet Connor McDavid. He lights people up, good luck

 

[topshelf15]

Demanding better is always good but the blanket criticism even on good moves is as bad as anyone who defends every move. I fall on the optimistic side but clearly some moves were terrible at the time. Picking up Gudbranson after Josh Brown was dumb, it should have been one or the other. I hated the Murray acquisition, I wanted a UFA or Korpisalo. Playing Anisimov was clearly dumb. At the same time I liked picking up one of Brown/Gudbranson, I liked the Tampa trade because we gained a 2nd, I love DJ playing Norris and Bath on the first line and 1st PP. I love having Stutzle here playing as I believe he has the character and compete that losing in the NHL will not hamper his development. The Stepan trade wasn’t terrible at the time but he isn’t close to the player he was in the bubble and it really was unnecessary.

Dorion can do better and should be held to account but he could have definitely done worse. The early view of taking Sanderson at 5 looks like a good choice even though most of us had different preferences. I’d give him a a C grade which could move to a B if they integrate Brann, Forms and Brown by the end of the year.

After what we gave up we should be far far more ahead....We have given away all stars and other than EK and the Sharks imploding,we have so very little to show for this....Money or lack of it has been a root cause,we cant pay our stars and we do everything on the cheap...Everyone in the league knows this,no player ,coach or decent GM will come because of EM .....He needs to GTFO so we can actually move forward

 

[GCK]

After what we gave up we should be far far more ahead....We have given away all stars and other than EK and the Sharks imploding,we have so very little to show for this....Money or lack of it has been a root cause,we cant pay our stars and we do everything on the cheap...Everyone in the league knows this,no player ,coach or decent GM will come because of EM .....He needs to GTFO so we can actually move forward

On that point everyone can agree.

 

[Wondercarrot]

I’d like to see him. I worry that some of the second wave of rookies we will start to see may not be any better than the vets everyone is constantly complaining about.

They will very likely struggle at first with the speed, game shape etc at first as the rest of the league and its veterans etc are all going full tilt. Meanwhile our boys have had the good fortune to be playing ping pong and some skating sessions.