silverfish
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Trouba tells Winnipeg to get stuffed.
Huge news that's getting lost in the fray here.
I'd make a very big push for him if I was NYR.
Trouba tells Winnipeg to get stuffed.
Now Toews is better than Malkin
Jeebus
Look, Toews is very good, but he's not Mark Messier.
Now Toews is better than Malkin
Jeebus
Look, Toews is very good, but he's not Mark Messier.
Huge news that's getting lost in the fray here.
I'd make a very big push for him if I was NYR.
Keith is one of 13 defensemen in history with multiple Norris trophies.
He's one of 9 defensemen with a Conn Smythe.
He's one of 6 defensemen with multiple Stanley Cups and multiple Gold Medals.
He's a borderline generational talent.
The fact that Pronger and Chara are in the conversation but Keith isn't is just HF at it's finest.
Pronger you could make a case for I suppose because of his Hart. There's just no way anywhere on planet Earth that Chara is better than Keith.
There's no ****ing way Stevens is better either. Stevens was never at any point in his career the best defenseman in the league, as evidenced by his empty shelf of Norris trophies. Not even close either. MacInnis was much better, Bourque was much better, Leetch was much better, Lidstrom was much better.
The Devils wouldn't have won a single Cup without Stevens.He's in the conversation with all these guys. To say he's "not close either" is just patently false. The guy went to 15 all star games and won the Conn Smythe.
I think we have to go after Trouba even if it means a slight over payment.
Keith is very good but so was Stevens. Stevens was good enough for me to literally hate. That only happens if a guy is really good. While Keith is very good I'm not sure what he did better than Stevens? Offense? Defense? Hitting? Stevens also had his share of recognition with all star games, Conn Smythe, etc.
He does pretty much everything better outside of trying to murder people.
Oh and unlike Stevens at least he's clearly the best D on his own team.
If we're going to argue that Stevens is better offensively then there's no point. That's truly laughable.
Stevens was putting up comparable numbers in a lacrosse league to what Keith is putting up in a soccer league.
At what point do we stop overpaying like drunken politicians?
Overpaid for MSL with two 1st round picks
Overpaid for 1.25 years of Yandle with 1st round pick and Duclair.
Overpaid for Etem and pick 41 with Hagelin and pick 59
Overpaid for 25 games of E Staal with two 2nd round picks and Saarela.
It is laughable that you think that is laughable. Stevens was a very strong offensive player when he was younger for a dman. Stevens led his team in points while playing great defense.
Stevens was a very good offensive player when the league was scoring eight goals a game. If he was around now he'd be lucky to hit 30 like he was in the dead puck era.
Yeah he had a better slapshot. So does Weber who is another player romanticized because of the big man fetish.
I believe you are both way underrating Stevens and also overrating Keith but you have a right to your opinion. Can you please posts all the Dman rankings from neutral observers that have Keith as a top 15 Dman and also ranked ahead of Stevens? Thanks in advance.
There is a thread on HoH about how Keith is ascending the all time rankings. Just search Duncan Keith. Consensus was maxing out around 20
There is a thread on HoH about how Keith is ascending the all time rankings. Just search Duncan Keith. Consensus was maxing out around 20
Interesting. Was Keith highly touted entering the NHL? I remember him being a young D on a bad Chicago team coming out of the 2004-2005 lockout but I never remember him being hyped to the levels of achievement that he's reached as an NHLer.
Thank you. I should have been clearer. By neutral observer I was speaking about publications/sites like TSN, SI, etc more than a thread of HF.
I actually think the history board is just as good as those publications for those lists. They're super methodical and not just anyone can vote. The board as a whole I full of very knowledgeable people. If you haven't browsed around on there, I suggest it.
They haven't done a top D list since 2012.
Oh and I'm sure the Blackhawks are just raking in hardware without Keith. But I forget that this is HF and only Toews gets credit for that team.
Screw Kane who was probably the best player in the league last year. Screw Crawford who statistically has been a top 5 goalie for like four years now. Screw Hossa. Screw Sharp. Screw Hjalmarsson. Screw Seab... well, actually he sucks.