NHL Around the NHL XI - Hall traded to Coyotes by Devils

[Jim]

“This ****ing language is totally inappropriate for a ****ing locker room! Shut this **** off! N***** n***** n****** n*****!”

I guess he has a point!

That is a fair summary of a sub-genre of rap. If that was indeed being played, he could have been mimicking what he was hearing. Context (which we don’t have) is key here.

 

[McGarnagle]

I know the words will get all the headlines, but it also appears he assaulted multiple players..

And honestly the physical assault is worse than any words.

 

[McGarnagle]

That is a fair summary of a sub-genre of rap. If that was indeed being played, he could have been mimicking what he was hearing. Context (which we don’t have) is key here.

Not even that context makes it any better. It's been drilled into white people since the 60s that you can't say that word. I don't care if "Chris Rock said it was okay in that standup...", you're a public figure, just don't. Ever. In any context.

 

[Chief Nine]

True, the fact that the Flames suck makes it easier. It's not like they're losing Gerard Gallant over this.

If corporate sponsors decide they want to pull their ads and cancel their season tickets, the Flames have to act.

But man, imagine if social media existed during the height of Mike Keenan's career...

Absolutely! Hell we all hated Keenan without social media he was that bad

 

[Jim]

Not even that context makes it any better.

Fine, then the player who put the song on should also be hung out to dry. Whoever he is, he should lose his job for playing that type of music in a professional setting.

 

[McGarnagle]

Fine, then the player who put the song on should also be hung out to dry. Whoever he is, he should lose his job for playing that type of music in a professional setting.

If you're trying to make Aliu the bad guy in this situation, I give up.

 

[Therick67]

That is a fair summary of a sub-genre of rap. If that was indeed being played, he could have been mimicking what he was hearing. Context (which we don’t have) is key here.

That is what I was assuming happened when I posted. I understand that wouldn't make it ok, just maybe a little more understandable if it were a one time thing.

I'm curious if he used slurs at other times, but it really doesn't matter with the physical abuse now being reported.

He should be fired..

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

True, the fact that the Flames suck makes it easier. It's not like they're losing Gerard Gallant over this.

If corporate sponsors decide they want to pull their ads and cancel their season tickets, the Flames have to act.

But man, imagine if social media existed during the height of Mike Keenan's career...

Funny you should mention that name.

 

[Therick67]

If you're trying to make Aliu the bad guy in this situation, I give up.

I know I'm not. If the coach didn't like the music, he could simply ask him to not play it.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

Fine, then the player who put the song on should also be hung out to dry. Whoever he is, he should lose his job for playing that type of music in a professional setting.

No, you sit him down and talk to him one adult to another.

You dont handle it like Peters did. That was a very bad way to handle it, with physical assault being the only worse thing he could have done.

 

[maxbme]

Two things about this story which is without a doubt 100% true: How many similar stories have been covered up by the hockey media and the frauds who write nothing but fluff from their GM buddies ? How come zero current NHL player has corroborated any of these allegations ?

I'm going to guess a lot... This is gonna get pretty bad. John vanbiesbrouck was fired for the intial incident of calling 19-year-old Trevor Daley the n-word on multiple occasions, but he's now the assistant executive director of USA hockey, and had a pretty good amount of support for the hire from the community.

I'm sure players are concerned about losing current career stability & post-career opportunities. If this runs deep in the higher-ups of hockey, how many guys are gonna stand up and lose future careers calling out someone? Hockey has been pretty clear about how they feel about guys stepping out of line, its not going to be kind to them.

Kudos to Akim, Michal and anyone else taking a stand. Brave stuff.

 

[lopey]

Fine, then the player who put the song on should also be hung out to dry. Whoever he is, he should lose his job for playing that type of music in a professional setting.

What? Its music, I can see if you don't like it then tell the kid in a good way to turn it off. No need for racial slurs.

 

[Jim]

If you're trying to make Aliu the bad guy in this situation, I give up.

I’m not trying to make anyone the bad guy. I am saying what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Somebody played inappropriate music. Somebody used an inappropriate word from the inappropriate music to describe the music.

Two wrongs, no rights. If one gets brow-beaten, they both do.

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

I’m not trying to make anyone the bad guy. I am saying what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Somebody played inappropriate music. Somebody used an inappropriate word from the inappropriate music to describe the music.

Two wrongs, no rights. If one gets brow-beaten, they both do.

One is significantly worse than the other

 

[lopey]

I’m not trying to make anyone the bad guy. I am saying what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Somebody played inappropriate music. Somebody used an inappropriate word from the inappropriate music to describe the music.

Two wrongs, no rights. If one gets brow-beaten, they both do.

Wow we are talking about a 20 year old kid playing Rap music and he deserves to be called the N word. Get out of here man.

 

[Gee Wally]

I’m not trying to make anyone the bad guy. I am saying what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Somebody played inappropriate music. Somebody used an inappropriate word from the inappropriate music to describe the music.

Two wrongs, no rights. If one gets brow-beaten, they both do.

No way. No how equal.

 

[jgatie]

No way. No how equal.

Yup.

 

[Hali33]

I’m not trying to make anyone the bad guy. I am saying what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Somebody played inappropriate music. Somebody used an inappropriate word from the inappropriate music to describe the music.

Two wrongs, no rights. If one gets brow-beaten, they both do.

Wow. In this day and age to not see the difference is just choosing to be ignorant at this point.

 

[Estlin]

I'm going to guess a lot... This is gonna get pretty bad. John vanbiesbrouck was fired for the intial incident of calling 19-year-old Trevor Daley the n-word on multiple occasions, but he's now the assistant executive director of USA hockey, and had a pretty good amount of support for the hire from the community.

I'm sure players are concerned about losing current career stability & post-career opportunities. If this runs deep in the higher-ups of hockey, how many guys are gonna stand up and lose future careers calling out someone? Hockey has been pretty clear about how they feel about guys stepping out of line, its not going to be kind to them.

Kudos to Akim, Michal and anyone else taking a stand. Brave stuff.

Devil's advocate: It took 10 years for Akim to speak up. How brave is it, really?

 

[McGarnagle]

"But if they can call each other that word..."

- famous last words of misguided middle aged white men, 1975-present

 

[EverettMike]

I’m not trying to make anyone the bad guy. I am saying what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Somebody played inappropriate music. Somebody used an inappropriate word from the inappropriate music to describe the music.

Two wrongs, no rights. If one gets brow-beaten, they both do.

Are you f***ing serious?

 

[patty59]

My friend played for Peters in university hockey and said he was the biggest asshole on the planet. Made him want to quit hockey.

 

[danpantz]

I’m not trying to make anyone the bad guy. I am saying what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Somebody played inappropriate music. Somebody used an inappropriate word from the inappropriate music to describe the music.

Two wrongs, no rights. If one gets brow-beaten, they both do.

There is a massive difference between a word being said in a song and then using a word in a derogatory way like Peters did.

 

[Sheppy]

I’m not trying to make anyone the bad guy. I am saying what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Somebody played inappropriate music. Somebody used an inappropriate word from the inappropriate music to describe the music.

Two wrongs, no rights. If one gets brow-beaten, they both do.

Yikes.

 

[Trap Jesus]

I'm really happy this is sparking something, almost like a movement in a way. I know a lot of people get on something like the #metoo movement because it just became an abuse of power for false allegations in a lot of cases, but if they're legit and can be backed up like the Aliu one, bring it on. There's a lot of really f***ed up things about hockey culture that isn't OK and just gets brushed under the rug.