Around The NHL Discussion 2019/20 - Part II

[Majorityof1]

The Provorov and Morrissey extensions just fattened Dunn's wallet, methinks.

Dunn will have to take a step forward to use those guys as comparables. Both are much more important to their team than Dunn at this point. They got more minutes than Dunn. 25 and 22.5 vs 17.5. Provorov was a legit first pairing guy given his minutes. They are both much better defensively than Dunn, while still providing similar offensive upside. Provorov had a down year this past year (so did the whole flyers team), but has 40 point season under his belt. Morrissey was on pace for 40 if he hadn't have gotten injured. The Jets falling apart last season coincided exactly with his injury. Morrissey is a glue guy for them in the locker room. Dunn has that potential. I am a big fan, but he really needs to cement himself as a true at worst #3 D to deserve that type of money.

 

[MissouriMook]

You have a little over $8.8M tied up in 4 LD for this season. I could see us going into next season with roughly that same amount tied up in Dunn and Eddy, plus the $1.75M for Gunnar and an ELC/league minimum vet to round out the LD. I don't think we're going to see much in the way of cap impairment from dealing with Dunn or any of the LD going into next season.

 

[Em etah Eh]

You should have signed it, "HeHateMe's Rooster"

I do need to change the name now, since backwards name guy no longer hates us...

 

[elkranio]

Seems that Marner has got 6x10.8

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

Seems that Marner has got 6x10.8

Thank f***ing god it’s over

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Seems that Marner has got 6x10.8

Of course he took it now that the story broke open about how much of a dick he and his dad have been.

 

[Stealth JD]

Jeez...what is that...$40M for Tavares, Matthews, Nylander and Marner?

I’m going to laugh my ass off watching that team get bounced in round one year after year because their depth is shit. The Blues entire top-9 costs that amount!

 

[Vladys Gumption]

Jeez...what is that...$40M for Tavares, Matthews, Nylander and Marner?

I’m going to laugh my ass off watching that team get bounced in round one year after year because their depth is ****. The Blues entire top-9 costs that amount!

That’s the new model. We’re just lucky that we got our core pieces signed before the market went crazy.

 

[Spektre]

Jeez...what is that...$40M for Tavares, Matthews, Nylander and Marner?

I’m going to laugh my ass off watching that team get bounced in round one year after year because their depth is ****. The Blues entire top-9 costs that amount!

The core group in Toronto have been given what they want. They’ll either be celebrated by their fans as one of the greatest or hated forever depending on if they win it all. Expectations are through the roof and that factor alone usually doesn’t help.

 

[Itsnotatrap]

That’s the new model. We’re just lucky that we got our core pieces signed before the market went crazy.

I am interested to see if these RFA’s in our division and conference fall right into line, and accept that this is the new market, or if they fight it out into the season before they find a middle ground. I mean, if Marner were a UFA, this would be about right. It wasn’t long ago that this would have been unbelievable for an RFA.

These Toronto kids have broken the old rules, but I don’t know if these other GM’s are just going to accept that they have to follow Dubas’s lead on this, without a fight. I guess we’ll find out in the next 2 weeks or so.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

That’s the new model. We’re just lucky that we got our core pieces signed before the market went crazy.

That’s the model in Canada where they have to overpay due to high tax rates.

 

[shpongle falls]

I loved the off-season the Devils and Rangers had, looking forward to seeing how Hughes and Kakko do in their rookie seasons. Also excited to see Gusev play in the NHL.

 

[Brockon]

Jeez...what is that...$40M for Tavares, Matthews, Nylander and Marner?

I’m going to laugh my ass off watching that team get bounced in round one year after year because their depth is ****. The Blues entire top-9 costs that amount!

40.4M that's 49.6% of next year's cap for 4 players (17.4% of a roster).

You've got to think that Toronto's D is in for a serious remodel next summer - with only Rielly signed for 2020-21. I have no idea how they expect to pay the 7 pending RFA/UFA dmen next summer... That's an awful lot riding on Sandin, Liljgren (spelling?) and other dmen being paid near league minimum going forward.

 

[Brockon]

I am interested to see if these RFA’s in our division and conference fall right into line, and accept that this is the new market, or if they fight it out into the season before they find a middle ground. I mean, if Marner were a UFA, this would be about right. It wasn’t long ago that this would have been unbelievable for an RFA.

These Toronto kids have broken the old rules, but I don’t know if these other GM’s are just going to accept that they have to follow Dubas’s lead on this, without a fight. I guess we’ll find out in the next 2 weeks or so.

I really hope that Thomas and our kids pay attention to what having reasonable contracts like our cup team and Tampa's roster allow a GM to do in terms of having quality depth and a team having multiple star players getting above market value do relative to each other in the next few post-seasons...

Because if Thomas, Petro, Parayko, Binny, Schenn and Dunn all get market value, we're going to be in a pretty awkward position in 4-5 years.

 

[simon IC]

I was hoping for a shorter term for Marner. Just so he could be a UFA sooner . Somebody should have offer-sheeted him the same AAV for five years.

 

[Klank Loves You]

I bet Thomas is paying close attention to the RFA situation.

 

[simon IC]

Leaf fans "we can and we will" refrain, (in whatever tense), is becoming obnoxious and tedious. I hope they have another 1st round exit.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I really hope that Thomas and our kids pay attention to what having reasonable contracts like our cup team and Tampa's roster allow a GM to do in terms of having quality depth and a team having multiple star players getting above market value do relative to each other in the next few post-seasons...

Because if Thomas, Petro, Parayko, Binny, Schenn and Dunn all get market value, we're going to be in a pretty awkward position in 4-5 years.

Toronto is beyond a shit show.

Market value is not what dumbasses do. Market value, in part, is relative to the local market, meaning Canada-based teams have to overpay now.

Then again, the market is whatever people pay. Like the California housing situation. They overvalued their property and now they are screwed.

Or even CVS. The only reason they are still in business is because there are enough dumbasses out there who will pay their 15-20% mark-ups.

Like PT Barnum famously said, “There’s a sucker born every minute.”

Hopefully the market will correct itself and bogus mechanisms like LTIR will be modified, just like the Hossa-style backloading nonsense and other creative circumventions that occur.

If sensible cap management does not happen, then we are looking at another lockout.

 

[STLegend]

Laine sighting:

 

[simon IC]

Spurgeon 7×7.575. I'm not sure if I would be happy with that if I were a Wild fan.

 

[The Note]

Spurgeon 7×7.575. I'm not sure if I would be happy with that if I were a Wild fan.

The Wild are in the worst spot to be in the NHL — the middle. The longer they try to squeeze blood out of this stone, the worse it’ll be.

 

[simon IC]

I just looked it up, Spurgeon will be 30 in November. This contract ends when he's 37. It's not even front loaded. Now I like it even less. I wonder if it will have an effect on Pietrangelo's negotiations?

 

[Blueston]

Spurgeon 7×7.575. I'm not sure if I would be happy with that if I were a Wild fan.

How many more years they have Suter and Parise on books? They can’t just blow it up. Spurgeon is perhaps their best player. I think they did well to lock him up.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Spurgeon 7×7.575. I'm not sure if I would be happy with that if I were a Wild fan.

I love that deal. He’s kinda awesome.

 

[TaLoN]

How many more years they have Suter and Parise on books? They can’t just blow it up. Spurgeon is perhaps their best player. I think they did well to lock him up.

Suter and Dumba are both better than Spurgeon.