Around the NHL: 2018-19, Part 5

[joshjull]

I think we need to apologize to @stokes84 and Chiarelli with the way Draisaitl has exploded this year. That contract doesn’t look crazy at all right now.

 

[vcv]

I think we need to apologize to @stokes84 and Chiarelli with the way Draisaitl has exploded this year. That contract doesn’t look crazy at all right now.

Hey, I voted in a 2014 pre-draft poll to draft Draisaitl over Reinhart!

 

[TheMistyStranger]

Hey, I voted in a 2014 pre-draft poll to draft Draisaitl over Reinhart!

I wanted the Isles to give us their 1st so we could try to get both

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

This is deja vu for this Orioles fan. For years, their management team said, "uhhhh, we look at analytics" while the Yankees, Red Sox, Jays, and Rays invested heavily in data and analytics. That's changing now with the O's new regime, but the Sabres are where the Orioles were about five years ago. Adapt or die, Buffalo.

Similarly, the O's new regime identified another fault that you see with the Sabres. Their new GM talks about how you cannot foreclose any avenue for available talent. For many years, the Orioles didn't participate in the international signing market. Here in Buffalo we have a GM that seemingly won't draft Russians and, now, hasn't drafted a single Canadian junior in his two drafts (WTF?!). Murray did the same with Russians (no, Vasily Glotov in the 7th round doesn't count). You can't have these bright line rules about who you will and will not draft/sign. That's what dumb teams do. Stop being a dumb team.

I think there's a plausible argument to be made regarding what leagues are misvalued for talent. Do we really know that Botts won't draft Russians? None were selected immediately after their selections, at a minimum no one seems to be pouncing on an 'obvious bias'.

If the Sabres analytics believes CHL defenders are overvalued, I'd be interested in seeing their data, but I could believe such a narrative. Conversely I think CHL forwards are undervalued, especially if they're 5'9"-5'11".

 

[Myllz]

So where's McDavid being traded to?

 

[sabrebuild]

This is deja vu for this Orioles fan. For years, their management team said, "uhhhh, we look at analytics" while the Yankees, Red Sox, Jays, and Rays invested heavily in data and analytics. That's changing now with the O's new regime, but the Sabres are where the Orioles were about five years ago. Adapt or die, Buffalo.

Similarly, the O's new regime identified another fault that you see with the Sabres. Their new GM talks about how you cannot foreclose any avenue for available talent. For many years, the Orioles didn't participate in the international signing market. Here in Buffalo we have a GM that seemingly won't draft Russians and, now, hasn't drafted a single Canadian junior in his two drafts (WTF?!). Murray did the same with Russians (no, Vasily Glotov in the 7th round doesn't count). You can't have these bright line rules about who you will and will not draft/sign. That's what dumb teams do. Stop being a dumb team.

Sigh. This is just ridiculous that we haven't been one of the pioneers.

The new owners showed up with boatloads of money, desire to win and a science background.

And somehow we don't have one of the best analytic teams....

Nothing has made me more upset about the last 5 years than the utter lacking in long term strategy or an understanding of how to best use Pegula's resources.

 

[SundherDome]

Analytics are great if they are used properly.
A lot of people and companies will create an analysis to fit a narrative or a direction they want to go. It is very easy to skew the data as well to push a decision. There is a fine line when it comes to analytics. That said, spending 50 million is a terrible idea and one that could lead to the above being created.

I would think, purely opinion, a 5-10 person analytics team would easily suffice for what is being used in the NHL as well as being progressive on new solutioning.

 

[MrMaster]

So where's McDavid being traded to?

He is not against Buffalo, he liked that they tanked for me, thought that was cool.
Here's the footage:

 

[Ahoy there]

After experiencing all the emotions of finally making the playoffs after so long, I'm pulling for you guys next year. You deserve this too. And I want to see Skinny in the p/o.

 

[Icicle]

Sigh. This is just ridiculous that we haven't been one of the pioneers.

The new owners showed up with boatloads of money, desire to win and a science background.

And somehow we don't have one of the best analytic teams....

Nothing has made me more upset about the last 5 years than the utter lacking in long term strategy or an understanding of how to best use Pegula's resources.

There is zero evidence that Buffalo doesn’t have good analytics at their disposal.

But it doesn’t matter if the guy at the top (Housley) doesn’t understand them or care much for them. It doesn’t matter if you have a team of master black belts telling a manager to choose option B if that manager doesn’t want option B, if he’s got his own ‘stats’ guy who will fudge the tests to always give the manager what he wants to see.

 

[Buffaloed]

Hey, I voted in a 2014 pre-draft poll to draft Draisaitl over Reinhart!

I voted Sam Bennett.

 

[OkimLom]

Sigh. This is just ridiculous that we haven't been one of the pioneers.

The new owners showed up with boatloads of money, desire to win and a science background.

And somehow we don't have one of the best analytic teams....

Nothing has made me more upset about the last 5 years than the utter lacking in long term strategy or an understanding of how to best use Pegula's resources.

Because Pegula wants to structure and run the teams as any common business would, except sports are a completely different monster to handle. He doesn't know how to be a sports owner.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Because Pegula wants to structure and run the teams as any common business would, except sports are a completely different monster to handle. He doesn't know how to be a sports owner.

Wouldn’t a “common” business include a lot of BI?

 

[Jame]

There is zero evidence that Buffalo doesn’t have good analytics at their disposal.

But it doesn’t matter if the guy at the top (Housley) doesn’t understand them or care much for them. It doesn’t matter if you have a team of master black belts telling a manager to choose option B if that manager doesn’t want option B, if he’s got his own ‘stats’ guy who will fudge the tests to always give the manager what he wants to see.

That’s a pretty impressive indictment of Botts, good work!

 

[Jame]

Sigh. This is just ridiculous that we haven't been one of the pioneers.

The new owners showed up with boatloads of money, desire to win and a science background.

And somehow we don't have one of the best analytic teams....

Nothing has made me more upset about the last 5 years than the utter lacking in long term strategy or an understanding of how to best use Pegula's resources.

Exactly, the entire benefit of having a moneybags owner is supposed to be in investing in everything that’s not capped. We should have the MIT of analytics departments AND the smokiest good ol boys club of advisors/VPs/Hockey Ops people.... instead we’ve got a lockerroom, and a cool venue for other hockey stuff

 

[Gabrielor]

Great goal by NYR.

 

[Chainshot]

After experiencing all the emotions of finally making the playoffs after so long, I'm pulling for you guys next year. You deserve this too. And I want to see Skinny in the p/o.

So 2006 is all forgiven? All the baby eating is forgotten?

 

[joshjull]

There are a lot folks in Columbus reaching for their heart meds. Wow.

 

[Ahoy there]

So 2006 is all forgiven? All the baby eating is forgotten?

Sorry mate. I do not know what you are referring to. Just came to say I hope you make it next year. Cheers.

 

[sabresandcanucks]

Exactly, the entire benefit of having a moneybags owner is supposed to be in investing in everything that’s not capped. We should have the MIT of analytics departments AND the smokiest good ol boys club of advisors/VPs/Hockey Ops people.... instead we’ve got a lockerroom, and a cool venue for other hockey stuff

Mike Gillis was on local radio out here. Says they were spending so much on those extra advantages outside of the CAP that teams were writing to Bettman to accuse the Canucks of cheating. I wonder if Terry would do the same if he had the right leadership around him to show him where to invest.

Was also revealing to hear Gillis talk about how they used analytics (tactics and which wingers to play him with) to turn Kesler into an offensive weapon after 2009. Wish I could hear similar things from J Botts.

 

[Tatre]

Rangers coverage is indeed pretty good. Nice game for CBJ to clinch.

 

[GellMann]

Sorry mate. I do not know what you are referring to. Just came to say I hope you make it next year. Cheers.

Sabres fans in Raleigh were plentiful and, er, boisterous, when the teams met in the 2006 ECFs. Their behavior left a bad taste in Canes fans' mouths for a long time, though I know little of the details.

Really really happy for you guys, and I hope we can join y'all next postseason as well. I've enjoyed watching the Hurricanes brand of hockey for a few years now.

 

[BananaSquad]

Habs are winning the lottery.

 

[Gabrielor]

Habs are winning the lottery.

My money is on the Rangers winning one of the three.

 

[Chainshot]

Sorry mate. I do not know what you are referring to. Just came to say I hope you make it next year. Cheers.

No worries! Thanks! I may have mistakenly thought you were a hurricanes fan and at one time here there was some silly intra-fan rivalries. Best of luck going forward!