Around the League Thread | Stacey’s Mom

[StreetHawk]

To be fair, if Patrick didn't have a migraine disorder he might have become a 70-PPG right-shot power C or at least a Bo Horvat type.

I mean, Patrick, is a who knows situation. He was 4 days away from the 2016 draft. I have a feeling that had he been born earlier and been eligible in 2016, if he's on the board, Benning drafts him. I mean, he really liked PLD. Similar sized C.

Had he been drafted, would have had access to that team's medical staff (assuming he signs right away) and they can get him the surgery on both legs as that was one of the issues he had as that he only got surgery on one side, but turns out he needed it on both.

Then his migraines acted up on him a few years later.

 

[m9]

Could be someone's daughter?

I was doing some online research and found it that it could be mother AND daughter

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Yeah frankly I'd rather not have someone who supports war criminals hold the goals record.

Bush a great leader, Gretzky feels - The Globe and Mail

Wayne Gretzky praised the efforts of U.S. President George W. Bush in the war against Iraq but shied away yesterday from criticizing Canada's decision to stay out of the conflict.

www.theglobeandmail.com

might also not want to ask gretzky about his take on gaza atm. i mean i don’t know what he thinks but i think we all suspect where he’d land politically.

not to relativize ovechkin, just the sad fact about most of these guys’ convictions.

 

[andora]

I was doing some online research and found it that it could be mother AND daughter

Nevwr called it research before... thanks !

 

[Ernie]

Bush a great leader, Gretzky feels - The Globe and Mail

Wayne Gretzky praised the efforts of U.S. President George W. Bush in the war against Iraq but shied away yesterday from criticizing Canada's decision to stay out of the conflict.

www.theglobeandmail.com

might also not want to ask gretzky about his take on gaza atm. i mean i don’t know what he thinks but i think we all suspect where he’d land politically.

not to relativize ovechkin, just the sad fact about most of these guys’ convictions.

Bush, whether he deserves it or not, never has been indicted as a war criminal and can travel wherever he wants.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

On the flip side, you only have to look at the other team in that recap to see a successful tank....it took Colorado a long time to get back to relevance, but they tanked and built a strong team that eventually won a cup. Buffalo might still end up being successful, they certainly have the pieces to make it happen...I would argue that a tank only has a chance of being successful if the person leading it has a clue.

Except that Colorado didn't actually tank so it's not a great example. Patrick Roy quit on the team like 2 weeks before training camp and left Bednar in an impossible situation where everything went wrong leading them to have an almost historically bad season where they then lost the lottery only to get fortunate enough to have Makar fall to them.

The argument isn't that teams who get high picks out of genuine circumstances never see success. Colorado, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Chicago, all teams that had earnest reasons for being terrible and were able to build success.

But as for teams intentionally stripping it to the studs who found success, that list is a lot shorter than for those who are still wandering in the wilderness.

It's clear some people don't understand what tanking is , and what rebuilding is.

Please enlighten me oh wise one.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Bush, whether he deserves it or not, never has been indicted as a war criminal and can travel wherever he wants.

not wanting to get into a political discussion but i guess morally i don’t see a distinction here

 

[Hodgy]

Except that Colorado didn't actually tank so it's not a great example. Patrick Roy quit on the team like 2 weeks before training camp and left Bednar in an impossible situation where everything went wrong leading them to have an almost historically bad season where they then lost the lottery only to get fortunate enough to have Makar fall to them.

The argument isn't that teams who get high picks out of genuine circumstances never see success. Colorado, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Chicago, all teams that had earnest reasons for being terrible and were able to build success.

But as for teams intentionally stripping it to the studs who found success, that list is a lot shorter than for those who are still wandering in the wilderness.


Please enlighten me oh wise one.

Honestly, the answer to the question as to whether rebuilds work is actually very simple. It all comes down to whether you have competent management, and of course some lottery/drafting luck. When people point to a bunch of failed rebuilds usually those are because the rebuild was unintentional because management was incompetent. So it isn’t surprising that an unintentional rebuild resulting from incompetent management failed. This doesn’t prove anything. Just like you can point to the countless failed “retools” that didn’t work because of poor management.

If you have good management and some luck, and importantly, patient ownership, you can see a Toronto like rebuild which has worked out fantastically for them.

 

[andora]

Anyone know what Corey Perry did yet

 

[Snatcher Demko]

Gretzky has always been a 'go with the flow' guy, taking the path of least resistance on any potentially controversial topic. I doubt he's as much of a historian as he is a neurosurgeon. No reporter worth their salt should be asking a hockey player about such world events.

 

[Aphid Attraction]

Anyone know what Corey Perry did yet

He didn’t condemn Putin

 

[andora]

He didn’t condemn Putin

Dick

 

[Aphid Attraction]

Dick

That is my preferred pronoun

 

[Jerry the great]

That is my preferred pronoun

in our house, it's how we quantify how much cucumber we need for something. "how many dicks of cucumber should i put in the salad"? a head of lettuce....three dicks of cucumber.....

 

[rypper]

Anyone know what Corey Perry did yet

(So I don't get in trouble around these parts...) Allegedly there was an incident involving Perry and a team staffer at a team event. Drunken unwanted advances etc. The rumour is out there on twitter if you look (not even that hard, just had to wade through all the Bedard stuff.)

 

[andora]

(So I don't get in trouble around these parts...) Allegedly there was an incident involving Perry and a team staffer at a team event. Drunken unwanted advances etc. The rumour is out there on twitter if you look (not even that hard, just had to wade through all the Bedard stuff.)

Appreciate the quick and dirty

 

[Canucker]

Except that Colorado didn't actually tank so it's not a great example. Patrick Roy quit on the team like 2 weeks before training camp and left Bednar in an impossible situation where everything went wrong leading them to have an almost historically bad season where they then lost the lottery only to get fortunate enough to have Makar fall to them.

The argument isn't that teams who get high picks out of genuine circumstances never see success. Colorado, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Chicago, all teams that had earnest reasons for being terrible and were able to build success.

But as for teams intentionally stripping it to the studs who found success, that list is a lot shorter than for those who are still wandering in the wilderness.


Please enlighten me oh wise one.

Disagree. I think these teams "leaned into the suck" instead of fighting their way out of it...they tanked their seasons IMO....especially Colorado, I don't believe you don't go from a .293% to a .579% with virtually the same core group, same coaching staff, no significant key injuries and say they didn't lean into a tank...can't prove it, but can't be convinced otherwise.

 

[Egghead1999]

(So I don't get in trouble around these parts...) Allegedly there was an incident involving Perry and a team staffer at a team event. Drunken unwanted advances etc. The rumour is out there on twitter if you look (not even that hard, just had to wade through all the Bedard stuff.)

that only sounds like a norm with the Blackhawks. I heard the incident was involved with corporation partners.

 

[Egghead1999]

It is so funny, why did people forget that many believed COL was the "NEXT" team when they got MacKinnon and were returning to the playoff? It took them 10 or 9 years (??) to win.
BTW, COL did not tank that year, did you see their roster? the whole organization was just dysfunctional.

 

[Vector]

Bill Guerin, the Minnesota Wild’s president of hockey operations and general manager, has been the focus of an investigation following a human resources complaint by an employee who alleged verbal abuse in the workplace, five team and league sources have confirmed to The Athletic.

The alleged incident that led to the investigation occurred in late November and was reported to the team’s HR department, which commissioned an outside law firm to investigate. Two attorneys traveled to St. Paul and interviewed more than 15 members of the organization.

Two team sources indicated that the investigation into Guerin’s alleged behavior was complete and the findings were delivered to upper management and ownership early this week. Wild management determined that Guerin had not committed a fireable offense, team sources said Wednesday.

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The employee who filed the complaint, according to team sources, is Andrew Heydt, the Wild’s director of team operations and player relations. Heydt has been in that position for 10 years and oversees team travel, logistics, and player and alumni relations.

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Everything is still shady as hell with nothing explaining why O'Hearn was let go.

 

[valkynax]

Guerin should friend Bowman on facebook.

Or should he unfriend Bowman on facebook?

Wait...I'm confused...

 

[EpochLink]

Brackett left a tire fire organization (back then at the time) to another tire fire organization.

Guerin about to be canned.

 

[Jay26]

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Bush a great leader, Gretzky feels - The Globe and Mail

Wayne Gretzky praised the efforts of U.S. President George W. Bush in the war against Iraq but shied away yesterday from criticizing Canada's decision to stay out of the conflict.

www.theglobeandmail.com

might also not want to ask gretzky about his take on gaza atm. i mean i don’t know what he thinks but i think we all suspect where he’d land politically.

not to relativize ovechkin, just the sad fact about most of these guys’ convictions.

This stuff is getting so exhausting. Can we not just support players and leave the politics out of it?

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

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This stuff is getting so exhausting. Can we not just support players and leave the politics out of it?

i thought that was my point?

 

[God]

Bill Guerin, the Minnesota Wild’s president of hockey operations and general manager, has been the focus of an investigation following a human resources complaint by an employee who alleged verbal abuse in the workplace, five team and league sources have confirmed to The Athletic.

The alleged incident that led to the investigation occurred in late November and was reported to the team’s HR department, which commissioned an outside law firm to investigate. Two attorneys traveled to St. Paul and interviewed more than 15 members of the organization.

Two team sources indicated that the investigation into Guerin’s alleged behavior was complete and the findings were delivered to upper management and ownership early this week. Wild management determined that Guerin had not committed a fireable offense, team sources said Wednesday.

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The employee who filed the complaint, according to team sources, is Andrew Heydt, the Wild’s director of team operations and player relations. Heydt has been in that position for 10 years and oversees team travel, logistics, and player and alumni relations.

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Everything is still shady as hell with nothing explaining why O'Hearn was let go.

I said this on the main boards but it definitely sounds like the non-action taken by Wild upper management isn't sitting well with others in the organization, which probably is the reason for O'Hearn leaving (either he's on Heydt's side or Guerin's side - leaning towards the former).