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[timw33]

Stankoven is going to be Brayden Point 2.0. 3 goals now in 4 career games.

He’s looking pretty nuts out there, non stop motor and making great plays all over the ice.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Lybushkin to Leafs.

 

[MS]

Lybushkin to Leafs.

Carolina is a contender who had $2 million in cap space and they just gave away $700k of it to acquire a 6th round pick.

Insane.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Carolina is a contender who had $2 million in cap space and they just gave away $700k of it to acquire a 6th round pick.

Insane.

wtf.

 

[God]

Carolina is a contender who had $2 million in cap space and they just gave away $700k of it to acquire a 6th round pick.

Insane.

They seem super risk averse and I wonder if they have a philosophy to try to take small wins everywhere (Pacioretty, Burns acquisitions)... but end up losing sight of the big picture goal, which won't ever happen unless they start making big moves. Shocked they didn't want to take Miller at any point in the last 2 years.

 

[MS]

They seem super risk averse and I wonder if they have a philosophy to try to take small wins everywhere (Pacioretty, Burns acquisitions)... but end up losing sight of the big picture goal, which won't ever happen unless they start making big moves. Shocked they didn't want to take Miller at any point in the last 2 years.

They seem more interested in winning the Most Draft Picks Cup and the Most WJC Players Championship than they do in winning the Stanley Cup.

Prioritizing the acquisition of worthless late round picks over bolstering your roster for a Cup run is just absolutely insane.

 

[mriswith]

Canes are doing the Gillis thing where dumpster diving worked out once or twice for them and now they're obsessed with it and won't pay fair price for anything that actually moves the needle.

I think they wasted a 5 year true blue contention window by being too cheap to commit to actually winning. They look like they are a lot more interested in 10 years of 1st and 2nd round exits than trying to actually win the cup. However, they're being rewarded for it right now as Necas and Jarvis are making key contributions on ELC-level money and Nikishin isn't far behind.

We'll see if their strategy holds up once all the sweetheart RFA deals that propped them up the last 5 years expire this summer and the next.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Canes are doing the Gillis thing where dumpster diving worked out once or twice for them and now they're obsessed with it and won't pay fair price for anything that actually moves the needle.

I think they wasted a 5 year true blue contention window by being too cheap to commit to actually winning. They look like they are a lot more interested in 10 years of 1st and 2nd round exits than trying to actually win the cup. However, they're being rewarded for it right now as Necas and Jarvis are making key contributions on ELC-level money and Nikishin isn't far behind.

We'll see if their strategy holds up once all the sweetheart RFA deals that propped them up the last 5 years expire this summer and the next.

I mean, they've done a lot of winning overall. Hard to argue with their results.

Their perception of picks to actually draft is smart, imo. It doesn't align with some of the narratives being pushed here, but if you see their consistent success as being due to their dogmatic ethos of finding value everywhere, even the draft, then you take the good with the bad in that overarching model... And there's been a ton of good.

Sure, they'll miss on the high end, but they'll be a factor in the NHL regardless. On balance, they'll still blow the doors off of most NHL teams in terms of success.

In a way, they are an owner's dream in that they are consistent revenue generators. That probably doesn't change any time soon.

 

[David71]

should see moves pickup by the weekend

 

[bossram]

Lybushkin redux to the Leafs? It wasn't that successful the first time around, and Boosh has gotten worse since.

He's fine as your 6/7D, but he's going to end up playing with Rielly, and that is...ungood.

 

[bossram]

Carolina is a contender who had $2 million in cap space and they just gave away $700k of it to acquire a 6th round pick.

Insane.

I get what you're saying, but they still have almost $6M in deadline-equivalent cap space. And that's with 4 goalies on the books.

They have the room to add whoever they want without any cap juggling (if they actually do something).

 

[StreetHawk]

They seem more interested in winning the Most Draft Picks Cup and the Most WJC Players Championship than they do in winning the Stanley Cup.

Prioritizing the acquisition of worthless late round picks over bolstering your roster for a Cup run is just absolutely insane.

I agree. If they are not truly going for it then why not move Pesce while they are at it. They allowed Hamilton and Ferland to walk before.

They had a core of Aho, Svech, Slavin, Pesce and surrounding pieces like Hamilton, TT, Necas, etc and really didn't push in with them. Aho/Svech are signed for term, while now Pesce and Slavin are nearing the end of their team friendly deals at around age 30. Would go outside how Carolina has operated if they gave them 7/8 year extensions.

 

[Egghead1999]

Lybushkin redux to the Leafs? It wasn't that successful the first time around, and Boosh has gotten worse since.

He's fine as your 6/7D, but he's going to end up playing with Rielly, and that is...ungood.

Either that or have MM playing the RHD

 

[Egghead1999]

Carolina is a contender who had $2 million in cap space and they just gave away $700k of it to acquire a 6th round pick.

Insane.

not 700K cap space, It is pro-rate. For a 6th-round pick, Carolina gave away (687,500/ the length of the season (7 or 8 months)) x whatever is left in the season (2 months) real cap space (don't believe Carolina's cap space is LTIR cap space).

 

[Orr4Norris]

I agree. If they are not truly going for it then why not move Pesce while they are at it. They allowed Hamilton and Ferland to walk before.

They had a core of Aho, Svech, Slavin, Pesce and surrounding pieces like Hamilton, TT, Necas, etc and really didn't push in with them. Aho/Svech are signed for term, while now Pesce and Slavin are nearing the end of their team friendly deals at around age 30. Would go outside how Carolina has operated if they gave them 7/8 year extensions.

They are one of the best run franchises in the league especially when you consider their market and desirability is far closer to Columbus than a major US city. They have a very strong philosophy on how they have to build their team and it’s been hugely successful. Not sure why everyone’s always crapping on them????

And why would they feel the need to trade their soon to be UFAs? They are currently in 4th in their conference.

 

[credulous]

carolina bought a 6th round pick for effectively ~190k in effective cap space. they'll have approximately 6m in effective cap space at the deadline to add players. i dunno if a 6th round pick is worth the 190k but it's not going to impact their ability to add players much at all

 

[Egghead1999]

They are one of the best run franchises in the league especially when you consider their market and desirability is far closer to Columbus than a major US city. They have a very strong philosophy on how they have to build their team and it’s been hugely successful. Not sure why everyone’s always crapping on them????

And why would they feel the need to trade their soon to be UFAs? They are currently in 4th in their conference.

bad rep from the early day, and winning the cup but no one cares.
haha, somehow, the current Canucks team has the Carolina vibe

 

[vancityluongo]

Carolina is a contender who had $2 million in cap space and they just gave away $700k of it to acquire a 6th round pick.

Insane.

They seem more interested in winning the Most Draft Picks Cup and the Most WJC Players Championship than they do in winning the Stanley Cup.

Prioritizing the acquisition of worthless late round picks over bolstering your roster for a Cup run is just absolutely insane.

yeah, agreed completely.

carolina has been a model franchise for the tulsky era but they're really gillis-ing it by not actually going for it in a meaningful way.

there's an argument for the incremental build approach in a random, poorly officiated 32 team league, but when you have a window with all of your core players
locked in at value generating contracts, it's a waste to not at least load up for the playoff run (ie. pittsburgh in the JR era), even if you want to avoid signing a bad contract at all costs.

weirder than the cost of the 6th for the amount of cap they're taking on is why broker for toronto as a potential playoff rival? sure it's not until the ECF and not doing business with other teams on the basis of a potential matchup is stupid, but there could be an actual on-ice consequence to this too.

 

[pitseleh]

In fairness to Carolina, the sixth they got will probably provide them more value this year than Lybushkin will to the Leafs for the same cap hit.

 

[vancityluongo]

They are one of the best run franchises in the league especially when you consider their market and desirability is far closer to Columbus than a major US city. They have a very strong philosophy on how they have to build their team and it’s been hugely successful. Not sure why everyone’s always crapping on them????

And why would they feel the need to trade their soon to be UFAs? They are currently in 4th in their conference.

huh? raleigh is a great city with great weather in a relatively speaking not-insane state. and you'd get complete anonymity outside the rink. they're closer to florida than columbus as a destination - would bet like 5% of players with NTCs have them listed.

 

[Egghead1999]

yeah, agreed completely.

carolina has been a model franchise for the tulsky era but they're really gillis-ing it by not actually going for it in a meaningful way.

there's an argument for the incremental build approach in a random, poorly officiated 32 team league, but when you have a window with all of your core players
locked in at value generating contracts, it's a waste to not at least load up for the playoff run (ie. pittsburgh in the JR era), even if you want to avoid signing a bad contract at all costs.

weirder than the cost of the 6th for the amount of cap they're taking on is why broker for toronto as a potential playoff rival? sure it's not until the ECF and not doing business with other teams on the basis of a potential matchup is stupid, but there could be an actual on-ice consequence to this too.

Leafs in the playoff, when was the last time the Leafs reached ECF? I remember Carolina eats the Leafs' lunch in most of the regular season games.

 

[mercury]

I kind of want to see the Canucks win after the Flyers inevitably get bounced in the first or second round. Walker/Seeler/Laughton now?

 

[Nucker101]

In fairness to Carolina, the sixth they got will probably provide them more value this year than Lybushkin will to the Leafs for the same cap hit.

Part of me wonders if they said yes just because they knew this was a bad move for the Leafs lol

 

[andora]

Part of me wonders if they said yes just because they knew this was a bad move for the Leafs lol

Carolina is a good skating team so he doesnt really pose a threat

 

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