Post-Game Talk: Around the league: Playoffs IV | Let's Go Bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuues!!!

[ProstheticConscience]

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Around the league: Playoffs III | No Canadian Teams Left in Playoffs...and nobody cares.

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[ProstheticConscience]

Stars versus Blues isn't even on in HD on Shaw. C'mon, SNet and CBC. Get your act together.

*edit* Okay, maybe that's because it's just a replay. nvm...

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

Stars versus Blues isn't even on in HD on Shaw. C'mon, SNet and CBC. Get your act together.

*edit* Okay, maybe that's because it's just a replay. nvm...

Yeah, it was on SN HD at noon.

 

[ziploc]

Can't bring myself to care at all about Blues vs Stars.
Certainly want the Bruins out, so go Columbus.
San Jose is the team left that most carries the "old guy who has never won it" factor, but Colorado is fun to watch. So meh?
And Carolina, what the actual crap?

 

[Tim Calhoun]

I feel like the background and reasoning for the Holland hiring is really no different from when they hired Chiarelli.

I’m still really bearish on that joke of a franchise.

 

[Zombotron]

At least they didn't take Krueger back.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Yeah, it was on SN HD at noon.

D'oh.

 

[Jack Burton]

Lololololo! I couldn't be happier with Holland being named the Oilers new GM. Him and Nicholson should dinosaur that franchise real good.

I've completely disagreed with most members on this board to hire Holland. He's been riding the Bowmans and some excellent European scouting for YEARS and what he's done to Detroit for the last decade, is a joke.

Edmonton fans should be concerned but excellent news for us.

 

[Zombotron]

Accepted

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Accepted

Holy shit....will be interesting to see if he uses his clout there..or if its the same ole' song and dance.

 

[Jay Cee]

I can't wait to hear about "The Detroit Model" all summer long.

 

[Zombotron]

I can't wait to hear about "The Detroit Model" all summer long.

Multiply it by a factor of 10 if they draft Soderstrom or Broberg and they start getting compared to Lidstrom

 

[mriswith]

I don't think Holland is a "generational GM" like I've seen a lot of people think and he wasn't my top choice for our franchise, but he sure as hell will be a huge upgrade on the dinosaurs and collection of morons running the joint to date.

Edmonton should at least achieve mediocrity under Holland which will almost be a generational upgrade for them LOL

 

[DFAC]

I don't think Holland is a "generational GM" like I've seen a lot of people think and he wasn't my top choice for our franchise, but he sure as hell will be a huge upgrade on the dinosaurs and collection of morons running the joint to date.

Edmonton should at least achieve mediocrity under Holland which will almost be a generational upgrade for them LOL

Holland is a dinosaur too with his best days behind him. He’s made some questionable trades and hands out terrible contracts as well. “Huge upgrade” is a hyperbole

 

[Bubbles]

Holland is another OBC guy anyways. Nicholson worked with him for years in Hockey Canada. I think this move was to keep Gretzky, Lowe and MacT in their present positions. Oilers fans are in for another 5 years of mediocrity.

 

[Hollywood Burrows]

I wasn't sure if Holland was past it or not, but stooping to take the Oilers job is pretty strong proof he's a hack. His legacy as an NHL front office guy will be pretty hilarious if he ends up being the guy who trades McDavid out of edmonton (he will)

 

[Baby Pettersson]

So how long before the "fire Holland" signs start showing up?

 

[DL44]

Holland won't be able to make a dent for a couple years.
That cap is tied up. I don't see what his welcome-to-Edm-splash move can be... a Poolparty trade?

He'll rightfully be afforded at least a yr... unfortunately at the expense of burning another prime McDavid season. Meanwhile Holland will take heat for being a dinosaur till that happens. Chiarelli shambled that roster and cap nicely.

 

[Hit the post]

I wasn't sure if Holland was past it or not, but stooping to take the Oilers job is pretty strong proof he's a hack. His legacy as an NHL front office guy will be pretty hilarious if he ends up being the guy who trades McDavid out of edmonton (he will)

Benning might move up the GM rankings by default if Holland turns out that be that. He'll move up again if another team is suckered into hiring Chiapet as a GM.

 

[ddawg1950]

All of Holland's initial moves will look good because of the inevitable comparisons to Chia's last couple of years.

Always good to climb a little further up the mountain before lunging into the abysss.

 

[vancityluongo]

The real test for Holland is off-ice more than on-ice (not an Edmonton joke).

Mike Gillis would probably get punched in the face by a media member if he tried to fire Keith Gretzky, let alone Wayne. Holland is a guy who can step in and actually clean house without the Jim Matheson/Steve Simmons types of the media getting obscenely butthurt. "Future HHOFer, needs to bring in his own guys, clean house, time for a change, etc."

If he does that (and by that - I mean turfs Lowe, MacTavish, Howson, W. Gretzky, K. Gretzky and anyone else not named Joey Moss or Bob Nicholson), then leverages his massive network in the league to attract a smart outsider... they have a shot at turning things around without it resulting in McDavid demanding a trade.

FWIW Yzerman originally mentored under Holland. Obviously a smart hockey mind, and the Detroit connection is what made him go to that organization... but Holland is also the guy that found Hakan Andersson, Jim Nill was the best assistant GM in the league for years, etc. I wanted Holland here because he clearly has the ability to find talented people and put them in key roles around him. Whether he does that in Edmonton or even has the ability to do so in Edmonton is the question, but it sounds like he was given the authority to do whatever he wants. It'll be interesting to see what he does.

 

[Dissonance Jr]

Holland won't be able to make a dent for a couple years.
That cap is tied up. I don't see what his welcome-to-Edm-splash move can be... a Poolparty trade?

He'll rightfully be afforded at least a yr... unfortunately at the expense of burning another prime McDavid season. Meanwhile Holland will take heat for being a dinosaur till that happens. Chiarelli shambled that roster and cap nicely.

Yeah this seems about right. That Oilers roster is horribly constructed, larded up with bad contracts, and they don’t have a ton of room to maneuver with their cap situation. I’d guess most GMs, even Steve Yzerman or whoever, would find it daunting to turn the team around quickly.

 

[StreetHawk]

Holland is a dinosaur too with his best days behind him. He’s made some questionable trades and hands out terrible contracts as well. “Huge upgrade” is a hyperbole

Contracts, a couple of not so great ones trying to remain competitive. Once the decision to rebuild was committed to his moves have been very good. Got assets for Tatar and Nyquivst. And some contracts coming off the books. Yes Abs and Neilson are not great and Dekeyser is overpaid but it’s not that horrible compared to a Lucic or Eriksson.

But I don’t envy what he needs to do in Edmonton over the next 2 years. Hard to move out salary. Plenty of teams need to do that as well. Question for Holland is how long McDavid is willing to wait for results.

 

[Fire Benning]

Holland gets the Oilers job, Therrien and Mike Yeo get assistant coaching jobs in Philly. Teams reaching deep into the recycling bin these days, as usual.

 

[krutovsdonut]

i have to laugh at how desperate the oilers obc were to get off the hot seat to pay $5 million a year to get a guy with enough credibility to fire/sideline them all.

now to see what holland thinks the solution will be.

i wonder if he somehow signs nyquist.