Around The League 2019-20 Part VIII

[Billdo]

since there has been a lot of Lou discussion in the other thread, check this out:



Lotta Lou involvement.

Who is on the list? (I don't have a sub)

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Who is on the list? (I don't have a sub)

from 15 to 1:

Volchenkov
Bolland
Ladd
LEino
Sekera
Eriksson
Carle
Orpik
Lucic
Ehrhoff
Horton
J. Johnson
B. Richards
Clarkson
Kovalchuk

 

[NJDevs26]

How is that a lot of Lou? 1 and 15 and 1 arguably wasn’t his signing but VBK’s, and they only wound up paying him like $18 million in real money before he skipped town anyway.

 

[Devils731]

How is that a lot of Lou? 1 and 15 and 1 arguably wasn’t his signing but VBK’s, and they only wound up paying him like $18 million in real money before he skipped town anyway.

I would argue the Kovalchuk contract on its own, ignoring the penalties for the first attempted contract, ended up working out.

I’d gladly pay a prime superstar for 3 seasons then get him to leave while only taking a tiny cap hit to avoid the bad years of the contract.

 

[Billdo]

With the way it ended I don't even really consider Kovalchuk a bad deal, it kind of worked out anyway. I forgot about the Volchenkov deal. Some horribad deals though for sure on that list.

 

[None Shall Pass]

Yeah holy hell Kovalchuk doesn't belong on that list. He cost like $7M against the cap, played at that level, then bounced.

 

[Darkauron]

Yeah Kovy isnt that Bad. And even tho Volchenkov was never the same with us, it wasnt too bad. That Clarky deal with the laffs was the worst thing ever tho.

 

[OmNomNom]

this list was def made just to shit on kovy

 

[MartyOwns]

yeah that article was one of the dumbest things i've read in a while. here's how the list was calculated:

Based on the work I did last season on the monetary value of a win, I translated the salary each free agent was paid over the last decade and equated that figure to how many wins the player was expected to provide. Compare that to the value he actually did provide (based on Game Score Value Added, or GSVA and projected GSVA for seasons that haven’t been completed yet) and voila: an all-time list of bad deals.

any list of the worst FA signings that doesn't have clarkson at #1 is probably useless.

edit: for those that don't want to read, the major factor in determining the worst was the amount of wins the team had relative to the contract. for those that always rail against wins as a stat measured to use goalies, you shouldn't even wipe your ass with this list

 

[Triumph]

yeah that article was one of the dumbest things i've read in a while. here's how the list was calculated:



any list of the worst FA signings that doesn't have clarkson at #1 is probably useless.

edit: for those that don't want to read, the major factor in determining the worst was the amount of wins the team had relative to the contract. for those that always rail against wins as a stat measured to use goalies, you shouldn't even wipe your ass with this list

That's not at all how the list was calculated and you just pasted the relevant portion. The stat of 'goalie wins' has nothing at all to do with this - it's looking at 'wins' in terms of value added. Wins by this measure would look nothing at all like goalie wins even for goalies.

 

[None Shall Pass]

I feel like this should be discussed, or at very least, laughed at:

Ex-NHL star Datsyuk 'holed up at monastery defended by Cossacks with priest who claims Covid is cover-up to microchip population'

 

[Darkauron]

I feel like this should be discussed, or at very least, laughed at:

Ex-NHL star Datsyuk 'holed up at monastery defended by Cossacks with priest who claims Covid is cover-up to microchip population'

Great player, but shitty and dumb human being.

 

[MartyOwns]

That's not at all how the list was calculated and you just pasted the relevant portion. The stat of 'goalie wins' has nothing at all to do with this - it's looking at 'wins' in terms of value added. Wins by this measure would look nothing at all like goalie wins even for goalies.

i didn't understand most of what you just said, but the list was compiled based on the $ amount the FA signed for relative to the wins that were expected as a result of the signing...at least thats how i interpreted it. i only brought up goalies because judging them by wins has been a controversial subject in the past.

 

[Blender]

since there has been a lot of Lou discussion in the other thread, check this out:



Lotta Lou involvement.

I still remember how much Devils fans were getting flamed by Leafs fans on here when the Clarkson signing happened for suggesting that it wouldn't work out.

 

[NJDevs26]

You could almost literally do a top fifteen bad contracts of Devil FA's who moved on to other teams. Clarkson, Holik, Gomez, etc, hell even John Moore would probably show up on that list for the ridiculous term deal he got from Boston.

 

[MadDevil]

Niedermayer is probably the only one that wouldn't be on that list.

 

[Triumph]

i didn't understand most of what you just said, but the list was compiled based on the $ amount the FA signed for relative to the wins that were expected as a result of the signing...at least thats how i interpreted it. i only brought up goalies because judging them by wins has been a controversial subject in the past.

Yes, but 'personal wins', not team wins. Let's imagine that this season the Devils won 15 games over what a team composed entirely of minor league players would win. Dom's numbers are trying to break down, who is responsible for those wins, and in what proportion - so let's say Blackwood is responsible for 4.2, Severson 1.6, Subban 1.3, and so on. It's nothing like goalie wins at all, which are just accounting for which team won the game and giving the goalie a win based on who won, and it has nothing to do with how the team was expected to do. It's just looking at the player's salary and saying 'based on this salary, the player should provide X wins over the course of the contract' and then looking at the 'actual' number of wins through a statistical breakdown. It's not exact, obviously.

 

[MartyOwns]

I still remember how much Devils fans were getting flamed by Leafs fans on here when the Clarkson signing happened for suggesting that it wouldn't work out.

#neverforget

that’s one of my favorite nhl pictures, right up there with this beaut-

 

[MartyOwns]

Yes, but 'personal wins', not team wins. Let's imagine that this season the Devils won 15 games over what a team composed entirely of minor league players would win. Dom's numbers are trying to break down, who is responsible for those wins, and in what proportion - so let's say Blackwood is responsible for 4.2, Severson 1.6, Subban 1.3, and so on. It's nothing like goalie wins at all, which are just accounting for which team won the game and giving the goalie a win based on who won, and it has nothing to do with how the team was expected to do. It's just looking at the player's salary and saying 'based on this salary, the player should provide X wins over the course of the contract' and then looking at the 'actual' number of wins through a statistical breakdown. It's not exact, obviously.

ahh ok thanks. now i’m on the trolley

 

[njdevils1982]

So Buffalo is basically going to go into this draft (even though it is months away) with basically no scouting staff. And a GM with little to no front office experience.

im giddy with excitement!

 

[Brodeur]

#neverforget

I have this associated memory of Gomez signing with the Rangers with Michael Bay's Transformers. I had seen it that week with a buddy who absolutely loved it and we argued about it, and he eventually quipped "You're just butthurt about Gomez." I still enjoy bringing that up to this day when I see him. But any time I see Transformers on TV, I can't help but picture Gomez as a Ranger and in a way that contract was an abomination like the movie.

Although I do admit that I have better memories of Superman (2006) not because the movie was any good, but when I walked out of the theater I learned that Patrik Elias had re-signed.

 

[Nubmer6]

I have this associated memory of Gomez signing with the Rangers with Michael Bay's Transformers. I had seen it that week with a buddy who absolutely loved it and we argued about it, and he eventually quipped "You're just butthurt about Gomez." I still enjoy bringing that up to this day when I see him. But any time I see Transformers on TV, I can't help but picture Gomez as a Ranger and in a way that contract was an abomination like the movie.

Although I do admit that I have better memories of Superman (2006) not because the movie was any good, but when I walked out of the theater I learned that Patrik Elias had re-signed.

I dunno why, but that story felt very @Bleedred - ish to me.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Wendel Clarkson

Too ****ing rich.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I still remember how much Devils fans were getting flamed by Leafs fans on here when the Clarkson signing happened for suggesting that it wouldn't work out.

Too be fair i don't think anyone thought it would work out as poorly as it did.

 

[NJDevs26]

Too be fair i don't think anyone thought it would work out as poorly as it did.

Inasmuch as nobody knew he'd be out of the league within three years due to injury yeah but ignoring that, he was bad enough in his two healthy seasons. It was one of the rare bad FA contracts that was correctly first-guessed.