Around the League 2018-2019 Part 3

KINGS17 · Jun 1, 2019

damacles1156 said:
It's what happens when you draft well, you have to pay them all.

Not when they are RFAs you don't.

kovacro · Jun 1, 2019

I’m interested in seeing if someone offer sheets Brayden Point. Given the choice of Point or Marner, I think I would go with Point and I’m a Marner fan.

Both are excellent hockey players.

kingsfan28 · Jun 2, 2019

kovacro said:
I’m interested in seeing if someone offer sheets Brayden Point. Given the choice of Point or Marner, I think I would go with Point and I’m a Marner fan.

Both are excellent hockey players.

Pretty hefty price when you think about what they're both going to get paid. Between 6-8 mil which is what... 2 first, a 2nd and a 3rd?

Ziggy Stardust · Jun 2, 2019

kingsfan28 said:
Pretty hefty price when you think about what they're both going to get paid. Between 6-8 mil which is what... 2 first, a 2nd and a 3rd?

They're getting more than that. Firstly, no way they sign an offer sheet for that low of a price, and secondly, Tampa Bay and Toronto would be happy to see such a scenario play out because they'd gladly match and sign those contracts.

YP44 · Jun 3, 2019

The Winter Soldier said:
Considering Blake fleeced the Leafs in the Muzzin deal. I don't blame him in trying again.

I think it would have to be Dion going the other way and Toronto then buying him out.

KINGS17 · Jun 3, 2019

YP44 said:
I think it would have to be Dion going the other way and Toronto then buying him out.

That would be a minor victory for Blake. I would rather he keep Phaneuf and get a prospect/pick from Toronto in a deal to take Marleau.

KINGS17 · Jun 3, 2019

Ziggy Stardust said:
They're getting more than that. Firstly, no way they sign an offer sheet for that low of a price, and secondly, Tampa Bay and Toronto would be happy to see such a scenario play out because they'd gladly match and sign those contracts.

Agreed, and that's why it isn't necessary for Toronto or TB to give these guys the moon on their second contracts.

For example, what if Toronto tells Marner, "No, it's four years at $8M a season." What is he going to do sit out? If another team comes in with a better deal on an offer sheet then Toronto can weigh their options at that time.

It has to come to a point where a GM tells an agent, "Look our objective is to win a Stanley Cup here, not make every single one of your clients happy." This is especially true when it comes to RFAs.

The Winter Soldier · Jun 3, 2019

YP44 said:
I think it would have to be Dion going the other way and Toronto then buying him out.

There does not seem to be a fit at the moment. Kings are in a similar position of wanting to unload salaries. For them to take on Zaitsev they would most definitely ask for an asset.

kovacro · Jun 3, 2019

Jets send pending UFA Kevin Hayes to the Flyers for a 5th round pick.

https://www.tsn.ca/philadelphia-flyers-acquire-winnipeg-jets-f-kevin-hayes-for-5th-rd-pick-1.1316223

Herby · Jun 4, 2019

kovacro said:
Jets send pending UFA Kevin Hayes to the Flyers for a 5th round pick.

https://www.tsn.ca/philadelphia-flyers-acquire-winnipeg-jets-f-kevin-hayes-for-5th-rd-pick-1.1316223

That was about as useless a pickup as Nashville getting Hartman last year.

kingsfan28 · Jun 4, 2019

Herby said:
That was about as useless a pickup as Nashville getting Hartman last year.

Or Simmonds this year. He had what, 1 goal in the 17 games with them? Then there's the playoffs, no goals in his last 14 games, including this year.

kovacro · Jun 4, 2019

kingsfan28 said:
Or Simmonds this year. He had what, 1 goal in the 17 games with them? Then there's the playoffs, no goals in his last 14 games, including this year.

David Poile seems to get props from the media about how he's such a good GM. I know he stole Frosberg from the Caps but his recent deadline record despite that move isn't stellar.

As mentioned above, Simmonds, Hartman, did he not once trade a 1st for Paul Gaustad at the deadline?

I wasn't too big on the Granlund for Fiala trade as others were. I think that trade could end up working out better for the Wild in the long run.

Sleeping Dog · Jun 4, 2019

kovacro said:
David Poile seems to get props from the media about how he's such a good GM. I know he stole Frosberg from the Caps but his recent deadline record despite that move isn't stellar.

As mentioned above, Simmonds, Hartman, did he not once trade a 1st for Paul Gaustad at the deadline?

I wasn't too big on the Granlund for Fiala trade as others were. I think that trade could end up working out better for the Wild in the long run.

Agree - GMs go crazy trying to get over the hump to get into the playoffs/win a round/go to the finals/win the Cup. If they didn’t, the trade deadline would be boring.

YP44 · Jun 4, 2019

kovacro said:
David Poile seems to get props from the media about how he's such a good GM. I know he stole Frosberg from the Caps but his recent deadline record despite that move isn't stellar.

As mentioned above, Simmonds, Hartman, did he not once trade a 1st for Paul Gaustad at the deadline?

I wasn't too big on the Granlund for Fiala trade as others were. I think that trade could end up working out better for the Wild in the long run.

I like how Nashville have let Poile stay there through ups and downs. All GM's are going to have good and bad deals when there are around as long as he is, but I think in general is work has been better than not. He does tend to spend high picks at the deadline, but then he also does good work with his contract extensions (unless Weber recapture bites them)

YP44 · Jun 4, 2019

kingsfan28 said:
Or Simmonds this year. He had what, 1 goal in the 17 games with them? Then there's the playoffs, no goals in his last 14 games, including this year.

Crazy how poor simmonds looked. He really hurt his UFA value.

Brodeur · Jun 4, 2019

kovacro said:
David Poile seems to get props from the media about how he's such a good GM. I know he stole Frosberg from the Caps but his recent deadline record despite that move isn't stellar.

As mentioned above, Simmonds, Hartman, did he not once trade a 1st for Paul Gaustad at the deadline?

I wasn't too big on the Granlund for Fiala trade as others were. I think that trade could end up working out better for the Wild in the long run.

1st for Gaustad was in 2012 which was expected to be a below average draft year; Kyle Quincey fetched a 1st that year, albeit that netted Andrei Vasilevskiy for Tampa.

kingsholygrail · Jun 4, 2019

I think we can safely say we won that trade with Philly.

YP44 · Jun 4, 2019

kingsholygrail said:
I think we can safely say we won that trade with Philly.

2 cups will always give the edge to LA. Still does not mean it was a bad trade for the Flyers.

They flow chart of that deal is still TBD are the flyers used Simmonds for a first. If that 1st turns into a star Flyers fans will still be able to feel happy with it. I am presuming several do and should anyway

Raccoon Jesus · Jun 4, 2019

I thought that trade was always going to be seen as a win now for la, win later for philly. dont see why that would change now, both teams have benefited.

LA got exactly what they wanted, the only question is to what degree did Philly?

kingsholygrail · Jun 4, 2019

Wasn't Brayden supposed to be part of their center future though?

KINGS17 · Jun 4, 2019

kovacro said:
David Poile seems to get props from the media about how he's such a good GM. I know he stole Frosberg from the Caps but his recent deadline record despite that move isn't stellar.

As mentioned above, Simmonds, Hartman, did he not once trade a 1st for Paul Gaustad at the deadline?

I wasn't too big on the Granlund for Fiala trade as others were. I think that trade could end up working out better for the Wild in the long run.

Yeah Poile is getting desperate which is why he would have been a great trading partner in a deal for Carter a couple of years ago.

YP44 · Jun 4, 2019

kingsholygrail said:
Wasn't Brayden supposed to be part of their center future though?

looks like they maybe trying to replace with Hayes while gaining Frost I suppose.

The St Louis deal didn't make a lot of sense to me.

crassbonanza · Jun 4, 2019

kovacro said:
David Poile seems to get props from the media about how he's such a good GM. I know he stole Frosberg from the Caps but his recent deadline record despite that move isn't stellar.

As mentioned above, Simmonds, Hartman, did he not once trade a 1st for Paul Gaustad at the deadline?

I wasn't too big on the Granlund for Fiala trade as others were. I think that trade could end up working out better for the Wild in the long run.

The respect that Poile gets is just beyond me. 39 seasons as a GM with 1 Finals appearances and 3 division banners is not that stellar. I get that a bunch of years were with an expansion team and another previously bad team, but his accomplishments do not really mirror his hype.

Ziggy Stardust · Jun 5, 2019

I guess any team fortunate enough to sign Artemi Panarin will not only be getting an extremely talented player, but they would also be gaining a new team enforcer as well.

KINGS17 · Jun 5, 2019

Ziggy Stardust said:
I guess any team fortunate enough to sign Artemi Panarin will not only be getting an extremely talented player, but they would also be gaining a new team enforcer as well.

I still think he is heading to Florida. They have the cap space and a lot of young talent. Panarin and Bob could be difference makers there. Florida should be cautious regarding the length of the contracts though, especially with Bob.

Not sure how Florida is going to unload Reimer though.

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