Speculation: Armchair GM Thread: There are no solutions, only problems

[Baxterman]

Leivo (24 & RHS) has more or less asked for a trade from the Leafs

Wonder if they'd take Lazar for him

I think they already have too many forwards so I doubt they would want to move Leivo for Lazar because it is just more of the same for them.

I would expect a pick or defenseman if he is moved one for one or he is part of a bigger deal. But I think the most likely is that they just keep him and force him to sit because that seems to be the MO of guys like Babcock and Lou.

 

[Baxterman]

Domi is a definite upgrade on our bottom 6 but he is another LHS.

I don't think he has got great reviews as a center so he likely has to play the wing. If we could get him for a reasonable price that would be a great addition.

 

[crackdown44]

I think they already have too many forwards so I doubt they would want to move Leivo for Lazar because it is just more of the same for them.

I would expect a pick or defenseman if he is moved one for one or he is part of a bigger deal. But I think the most likely is that they just keep him and force him to sit because that seems to be the MO of guys like Babcock and Lou.

I don’t know what quality of D they’d want back either. It’s pointless to discuss with Leaf fans they think everything they have is better than it is

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I would love to add Domi, also you know the Flames would be in on it with our ties to them.

 

[DFF]

Domi is like their Bennett. He maybe available but I doubt they let him go for nothing.

Who on the Flames are available that would fetch something good unless they are trading a core piece?

 

[Baxterman]

I don’t know what quality of D they’d want back either. It’s pointless to discuss with Leaf fans they think everything they have is better than it is

Not just their fans I think their coach and GM do as well.

This is a group that thinks playing Roman Polak is a good idea.

 

[Dack]

Domi is like their Bennett. He maybe available but I doubt they let him go for nothing.

Who on the Flames are available that would fetch something good unless they are trading a core piece?

Bennett + is what I was thinking.

 

[Baxterman]

Domi is like their Bennett. He maybe available but I doubt they let him go for nothing.

Who on the Flames are available that would fetch something good unless they are trading a core piece?

The difference I see is that I don't think Domi was a Chayka pick so less attachment and initial like for the guy compared to Bennett and Treliving who at one point saw enough in him to draft him 4th.

I do think that it likely would be a guy like Bennett that they would want I would pass on that. I would hope they would like one of Andersson, Kylington or Fox but not sure how those guys play with the analytics crew so maybe one of them stands out more than others.

 

[DFF]

Teams just do not trade good prospects and if they trade the prospects it's usually someone they are sour on and the return is minimal.

With that I doubt they'd trade Andersson until they give him a chance in the NHL. Kylington and Fox would fetch a lot less than what the fans here think they are worth.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Fox + Frolik for Domi.

 

[The Gnome]

I like both Domi abd Leivo if the price is right and it doesn't subtract from our current roster. That said, watching another OTT game today, I wonder what the cost for Hoffman is...He'd be an immediate offensive upgrade in our top 6 over Frolik, and give our 3rd line a big boost.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Backlund-Hoffman
Bennett-Janko-Frolik
Lazar-Stajan-Brouwer

 

[Baxterman]

Fox + Frolik for Domi.

Done in a heartbeat but I think you will get a lot of push back because Frolik is a fan favorite even though he has taken a big step back this year playwise and people love to ignore the fact that Fox cant play defense to save his life and his horrible decision making because he makes a few offensive plays.

 

[Skobel24]

I'd love to add Domi somehow, but I don't think it's very realistic.

 

[Dack]

Fox being a bad decision maker is ridiculous, the one thing about him that gets routinely praised is his Hockey IQ. Also he was team USA's #1D at the WJC so obviously his coach trusts him enough to use him in defensive situations. The only thing he needs to improve is his skating and strength.

God forbid you have a little skill on the backend.

 

[Skobel24]

I like both Domi abd Leivo if the price is right and it doesn't subtract from our current roster. That said, watching another OTT game today, I wonder what the cost for Hoffman is...He'd be an immediate offensive upgrade in our top 6 over Frolik, and give our 3rd line a big boost.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Backlund-Hoffman
Bennett-Janko-Frolik
Lazar-Stajan-Brouwer

I like it, but I'd make a minor change.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Hoffman
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Ferland
Lazar - Stajan - Brower

I think if you can upgrade from Ferland on the top line, you do it. Ferland would fit that third line really well.

Edit: I know a few people are going to crucify me for that comment, but let me elaborate. Ferland is doing really well this year, but I still don't consider him a top line player. Hoffman is better, and he'd be a better fit. Janks and Bennett are both solid playmakers, having Ferlands shot and tenacity would fit well there.

 

[crackdown44]

Fox being a bad decision maker is ridiculous, the one thing about him that gets routinely praised is his Hockey IQ. Also he was team USA's #1D at the WJC so obviously his coach trusts him enough to use him in defensive situations. The only thing he needs to improve is his skating and strength.

God forbid you have a little skill on the backend.

I personally have him behind Valimaki on the depth chart. There’s also a big question mark as to whether or not he’ll go to free agency. If we’re moving one of Fox/Valimaki/Andersson then Fox would be at the top of my list but that’s just me

 

[Baxterman]

Fox being a bad decision maker is ridiculous, the one thing about him that gets routinely praised is his Hockey IQ. Also he was team USA's #1D at the WJC so obviously his coach trusts him enough to use him in defensive situations. The only thing he needs to improve is his skating and strength.

God forbid you have a little skill on the backend.

His pinches are terrible, he reads the play horribly especially in the defensive zone.

Yes he was played a lot early on for the US but he was constantly walked when put in roles that weren't sheltered.

God forbid a defenseman be able to defend or prevent goals.

 

[Calculon]

GM's don't think like that. Seriously, I doubt there's a single GM in this league that look at a guy on pace for 32 goals, 51 points and says to themselves, yeah, that's an area that actively needs to be upgraded. Especially when the second and third line right wingers are on pace for 30 and 23 points respectively.

Even the rumors had the Flames looking for a third line winger/powerplay specialist back when they were looking for one of those.

 

[Dack]

His pinches are terrible, he reads the play horribly especially in the defensive zone.

Yes he was played a lot early on for the US but he was constantly walked when put in roles that weren't sheltered.

God forbid a defenseman be able to defend or prevent goals.

Please back up the pinches are terrible thing. I'd also like to see him getting walked constantly(I remember it happening once and everyone agreed that it was bad and he need to get faster and also made a misplay on the Slovakia game winner) since there is no doubt ample footage of it since this happens so often that the train wreck known as Adam Fox should be stapled to the bench unless his team is down by a ridiculous amount of goals . Scouts who watch Adam Fox don't agree with you and neither did almost everyone in the WJC threads who all agreed he was the USAs best D man. Valimaki made just as many mistakes and I didn't think his WJC was awful or anything.

Fox is a fantastic puck mover and has continually been leaned on by his coaches as their #1 guy so are they all wrong?

I personally have him behind Valimaki on the depth chart. There’s also a big question mark as to whether or not he’ll go to free agency. If we’re moving one of Fox/Valimaki/Andersson then Fox would be at the top of my list but that’s just me

That's fine I don't take issue with valuing the other prospects over him Its the he's terrible thing.

 

[Baxterman]

Please back up the pinches are terrible thing. I'd also like to see him getting walked constantly(I remember it happening once and everyone agreed that it was bad and he need to get faster and also made a misplay on the Slovakia game winner) since there is no doubt ample footage of it since this happens so often that the train wreck known as Adam Fox should be stapled to the bench unless his team is down by a ridiculous amount of goals . Scouts who watch Adam Fox don't agree with you and neither did almost everyone in the WJC threads who all agreed he was the USAs best D man. Valimaki made just as many mistakes and I didn't think his WJC was awful or anything.

Fox is a fantastic puck mover and has continually been leaned on by his coaches as their #1 guy so are they all wrong?

You want me to search the internet for clips that may or may not even exist to bring clips of him being brutal to the thread? That seems a little crazy and not going to happen.

He just played in the WJHC where those plays were clearly on display for everyone to see and he was stapled to the bench the first year in the WJHC and last year was sheltered as the tournament went on but could only be held back so much because the US team was crap.

As for his coaches as far as I can tell they aren't very good whether at Harvard or the moron at the WJHC so yes they very well could have it wrong.

Anyways he is a garbage player/prospect that some still have overrated due to offense in the pathetic NCAA so I think we should try and move him ASAP while there are still guys out there fooled by this bum.

 

[Dack]

You want me to search the internet for clips that may or may not even exist to bring clips of him being brutal to the thread? That seems a little crazy and not going to happen.

He just played in the WJHC where those plays were clearly on display for everyone to see and he was stapled to the bench the first year in the WJHC and last year was sheltered as the tournament went on but could only be held back so much because the US team was crap.

As for his coaches as far as I can tell they aren't very good whether at Harvard or the moron at the WJHC so yes they very well could have it wrong.

Anyways he is a garbage player/prospect that some still have overrated due to offense in the pathetic NCAA so I think we should try and move him ASAP while there are still guys out there fooled by this bum.

So let me get this right he's really bad but you're the only one that sees it? His coaches are dumb, the people who thought he was good at the WJC are dumb. But you've got this one figured out.

He was one of the youngest D men on his team in his first WJC so of course he was sheltered and even while being sheltered he was played a lot as the Americans mounted their comeback against Canada and had 3 assists in that game.

 

[Baxterman]

So let me get this right he's really bad but you're the only one that sees it? His coaches are dumb, the people who thought he was good at the WJC are dumb. But you've got this one figured out.

He was one of the youngest D men on his team in his first WJC so of course he was sheltered and even while being sheltered he was played a lot as the Americans mounted their comeback against Canada and had 3 assists in that game.

I don't think I am the only one who sees it at all.

He went in the 3rd round, is still in the NCAA now, I did not see a lot of people saying he was good in the WJHC either. His coaches as mentioned likely are idiots.

He is a no-talent bum and it sucks he is associated with the team but hopefully we can swindle a team into giving us something decent for him.

3 assists or not he was god awful in that game.

 

[Mr Snrub]

You want me to search the internet for clips that may or may not even exist to bring clips of him being brutal to the thread? That seems a little crazy and not going to happen.

"You want me to provide facts and evidence to back up my ridiculous assertions? Now you've really crossed the line, buddy"

 

[Baxterman]

"You want me to provide facts and evidence to back up my ridiculous assertions? Now you've really crossed the line, buddy"

Except that really isn't what is going on here but it is a good little cheap one liner that all the peons can get a chuckle out of.

 

[The Gnome]

I like it, but I'd make a minor change.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Hoffman
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Ferland
Lazar - Stajan - Brower

I think if you can upgrade from Ferland on the top line, you do it. Ferland would fit that third line really well.

Edit: I know a few people are going to crucify me for that comment, but let me elaborate. Ferland is doing really well this year, but I still don't consider him a top line player. Hoffman is better, and he'd be a better fit. Janks and Bennett are both solid playmakers, having Ferlands shot and tenacity would fit well there.

I wouldn't mess with the top line, but...

IMO you're right, Hoffman is a better talent offensively over Ferland. I just think that line would be too soft, but maybe the offensive boost would overcome any need for a more physical player. That 3rd line would be nasty to play against if Janko can turn it around. All I know is that Hoffman has been a solid player for a while now, has a wicked shot, can play on his off wing well, and has great instincts around the net. The upgrade on our PP would be nice too, dude has a pretty solid one timer.