Trade our struggling 22 year old, #1 centre, who is 21 games removed from being the 14th highest scorer among all NHL players at his position. Might as well just toss the jerseys on the ice!
Speculation: Armchair GM and Rumors Thread XXIII - FLAMES RELATED (Mikael Backlund Appreciation)
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Dertell
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Now imagine being a pretty big panthers fan (NFL) as well.
Still, I think we're due for a winning streak so the mood will swing back to overrating everyone.
..... did you just pump Byron's tires, DBU?
I think this has been a really hard season to watch so far as a Flames fan, and the cracks are starting to show in our collective psyche.
To be fair, I've never said anything bad about Byron. I always liked how he played. I've just never bought into the idea that he was this huge difference maker. He was waived and claimed over a year ago now, time for people to move on.
I'll agree that this season has been a dumpster fire but it shouldn't matter how bad it gets, this team isn't trading parts of the foundation in Monahan and Brodie.
OvermanKingGainer
#BennettFreed #CurseofTheSpulll #FreeOliver
Initially, I thought about it just so we could protect Kulak. But then I thought about it, and if Brouwer were to be claimed in expansion, the Flames would have
5.25M (Wideman)
4.50M (Brouwer)
2.90M (Engelland)
1.25M (Bollig)
3.50M (Smid)
Off the books this offseason.
That is 17.4M in sudden cap space.
And with Gulutzan's system neutering the team's offensive production, Bennett should be easy to re-sign at an underpayment.
We could realistically go after a big fish like TJ Oshie, Tyler Johnson/Ondrej Palat (Tampa is in cap hell!!!!) or Kevin Shattenkirk.
Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Shattenkirk
We could actually have a real top four instead of a top 3.25!
5.25M (Wideman)
4.50M (Brouwer)
2.90M (Engelland)
1.25M (Bollig)
3.50M (Smid)
Off the books this offseason.
That is 17.4M in sudden cap space.
And with Gulutzan's system neutering the team's offensive production, Bennett should be easy to re-sign at an underpayment.
We could realistically go after a big fish like TJ Oshie, Tyler Johnson/Ondrej Palat (Tampa is in cap hell!!!!) or Kevin Shattenkirk.
Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Shattenkirk
We could actually have a real top four instead of a top 3.25!
Bosnian Beast
Formerly Janko Unchained
And the award for "The Voice of Reason" goes to... But seriously, people talking about moving on from the Byron discussion aren't people that dislike Byron, they're just tired of the constant whining associated with him. I could seriously go back and post every positive comment the so-called Byron detractors have made about Byron. Do we miss Byron? Yes. Have we moved on? Yes. That doesn't mean we don't like Byron, we just don't dwell on it.
Dertell
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The problem wouldn't be resigning Bennett, but Tkachuk and everyone else in the future who may end up having any success in the big league.
I'd rather cross my finger and hope a prospect becomes a top 4 dman.
I would love Oshie so Calgary could potentially have a line of
Tkachuk - Bennett - Oshie
or
Gaudreau - Monahan - Oshie
OvermanKingGainer
#BennettFreed #CurseofTheSpulll #FreeOliver
I don't disagree with you, although I do think the fact that Stajan, Bouma and Raymond expire in 2018 does do us some favours that could give us future cap space (Tkachuk is an RFA in 2019 so we would have to have Treliving not spend in 2018 on anyone but Backlund, which is optimistic given his history).
Maybe Oshie is the better option
Gaudreau-Jankowski-Monahan
Tkachuk-Bennett-Oshie
Klimchuk-Backlund-Frolik
Ferland-Hamilton-Hathaway
Would be a much better top 12 than the crap we're rolling these days. I also think going all-in on prospects on the blue line isn't a bad idea
Giordano-Hamilton
Kulak/Kylington-Brodie
Kylington/Hickey-Andersson
Wow that is exciting. All it takes is dropping veterans for our own internal talent.
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Johnny Hoxville
The Return of a Legend
OvermanKingGainer
#BennettFreed #CurseofTheSpulll #FreeOliver
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Trading Monahan would be moronic. I'm not his biggest fan but he'll be worth his contract. Honestly this core is the one we're going with for better or worse. Just need better supporting pieces IMO, even if our depth players are the ones outplaying our top guys ATM.
Whether or not these supporting pieces come from within the organization or from Trade/FA is another matter entirely. I'm much more skeptical of the Flames' prospect development than most of you, but given Treliving's less than stellar record of adding NHL ready talent from elsewhere, these prospects might be the best option at this point.
Whether or not these supporting pieces come from within the organization or from Trade/FA is another matter entirely. I'm much more skeptical of the Flames' prospect development than most of you, but given Treliving's less than stellar record of adding NHL ready talent from elsewhere, these prospects might be the best option at this point.
I liked your forward lines, until I saw the #1 center. Not a fan of the defense though. Way too inexperienced, and it lacks a strong shutdown type.
FlamerForLife
Mon Seanahan
Not trying to take a shot at you or anything like that, but what makes you so confident that Jankowski will be a 1st line centre?
I wouldn't touch Oshie, for market value, with a ten foot pole. He's only put up 50 points, the last 2 seasons, playing for the Blues and Caps, he'd be lucky to hit 45 for us.
GAMO1992
#ThankYouIggy
yeah I'm sorry but Jankowski(when he makes the NHL) will more than likely be the 3rd line center, sheltered. he won't be thrusted into top line minutes right away.
Johnny-Money-X(Bennett/FA Signing)
Tkachuk-Backs-Frolik
Bennett-Janko-X(prospect/mediocre but passable FA)
Ferland-Hamilton-Hathaway
Gio-Hamilton
X(steady shutdown dman)-Brodie
Kulak-Kylington/Hickey/Andersson
Johnny-Money-X(Bennett/FA Signing)
Tkachuk-Backs-Frolik
Bennett-Janko-X(prospect/mediocre but passable FA)
Ferland-Hamilton-Hathaway
Gio-Hamilton
X(steady shutdown dman)-Brodie
Kulak-Kylington/Hickey/Andersson
OvermanKingGainer
#BennettFreed #CurseofTheSpulll #FreeOliver
I actually see Bennett as the first line center with Tkachuk/Oshie, but Gaudreau's line will always be the "first line". Jankowski or Backlund allow Johnny/Monny to focus on what they're good at (offense).
Hickey is strong. Hamilton is strong. Giordano/Brodie/Kulak are shutdown types. Andersson also trends towards a pretty balanced player.
The defensive problem with this team right now is not Giordano, Brodie, Hamilton, or Kulak. It's Wideman, Jokipakka, Engelland. Simply subtracting those guys makes this defense good.
GAMO1992
#ThankYouIggy
serious question:
what, so far, has made you think Bennett will even make it as a center? not taking a shot or anything legit curious why you think Bennett will be our #1 center when he hasn't even proved himself to be a center yet?
I honestly think he's gonna end up a winger/with spot center duty due to injuries/in game match up line changes
Losing magnifies the deficiencies. The Flames really aren't as bad as they seem.
Fully expect the Flames to go hard after Alzner in the summer if the Capitals can't re-sign him. He's exactly what the team needs; physical shutdown defenseman and a RHS to boot. And given his low offensive totals, he won't cost as much as some have suggested; Petry, Orpik and Girardi all got 5.5M, while Staal's at 5.7M. Think Alzner could be had for somewhere between 4 and 5M on a five or six year deal but even 5.5M is manageable.
Yeah, I'm on board with this. Heck, trade a third or fourth to the Vegas Put-it-all-on-red to make sure they take Brouwer.
Also, because it'll never get old:
Fully expect the Flames to go hard after Alzner in the summer if the Capitals can't re-sign him. He's exactly what the team needs; physical shutdown defenseman and a RHS to boot. And given his low offensive totals, he won't cost as much as some have suggested; Petry, Orpik and Girardi all got 5.5M, while Staal's at 5.7M. Think Alzner could be had for somewhere between 4 and 5M on a five or six year deal but even 5.5M is manageable.
Yeah, I'm on board with this. Heck, trade a third or fourth to the Vegas Put-it-all-on-red to make sure they take Brouwer.
Also, because it'll never get old:
Friedman
OvermanKingGainer
#BennettFreed #CurseofTheSpulll #FreeOliver
The only thing Bennett has not proven is that he can't singlehandedly carry Troy Brouwer + AHLer. With Tkachuk and Versteeg he was doing well at center.
-His defensive support behind the net is second only to Backlund
-His defensive play in the slot has a lot of very good reads
-His backchecking under Hartley at center was usually excellent however it hasn't been so under Gulutzan. Seems to be a coaching issue focusing on the wrong things.
-His vision and skill in the defensive zone to read the forecheck and exit is a necessity to play enter in the NHL, and something Monahan lacks
-His speed and deceptiveness through the middle is an obvious one however he of course has to polish his team game which will come with experience
-He's been pretty good at faceoffs although he faltered in a few recent games
GAMO1992
#ThankYouIggy
let's hope it's just been a coaching problem then, because this season he's not been his usual self(albeit with flashes of greatness). and his discipline HAS to get better.
FlamerForLife
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