Are the Lightning the Golden State Warriors of the NHL?

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JetsWillFly4Ever

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No NHL team will be a super team ala Golden State in the NBA.

Imagine having, Crosby, Ovechkin, Marner, Hedman, Byfuglien on the ice for 90% of the game. That is essentially what Golden State has with KD, Curry, Thompson, Draymond, and Cousins.
 
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robertmac43

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They are unreal, have amazing options in every position and the depth to match.

And as us Leaf fans know even if you have a great game Vas may step in and be a god...
 

AndreRoy

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Yeah, success in the NHL is often measured by cups, but their is a lot of luck and variance that goes into it. In Reality, a team is either well built to for long term success or it isn't. The early post lockout Canucks were a great team for a lot of years, that did everything but win, but are viewed by many as a failure. LA was built to be good, but their window wasn't large, but they managed to have the right breaks in the right years and win two, were they really that much better than the Canucks?

Washington was good for a decade, kept losing in game 7's to the only team that was statistically likely to win more cups than them, finally broke though, but has just one cup, but it's hard to argue they weren't better built overall than a team like LA, and as a whole that Cup lets you appreciate the other things that team accomplished (multiple presidents trophies is now a feather in the cap, not a further sore point).

Tampa has been a good team and well managed for awhile, they will take a hit, like all great teams, but they will still fill their roster with good players on good contracts, and be amoung the teams that can compete even if they don't win it this year, and the real question is going to be, if they don't win it this year, and they start making management mistakes going forward, will current management have squandered what Yzerman built.

The best way to make a team a championship team in the NHL is not by loading up for a run, simply because adding one player doesn't up your odds from 20% to 45% like it can in the NBA, it's about making choices.

Would you rather load up and be the favourite with 20% odds but then have a tear down coming? or be a good team for 8-9 years with 12-15% odds every year in that stretch. Longevity is more likely to get a cup in the current NHL, than big swings, and Tampa has managed to become a favourite with an eye to the long term, and should be commended even if they don't get there.

I’ve been making that argument for a long time now and people still don’t get it. You are absolutely correct: it is a far superior approach to maintain a top contender for an extended period of time than to shorten your window for a slightly greater chance in a single year. “Going all in” only makes sense for teams whose window is about to slam shut on them.
 
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NYRKing

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Just think when they call up Kevin Hayes and Mats Zucarrello from their NHL affiliate. Even better!
 

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Tampa looks amazing top to bottom right now. VERY good chance they win the Cup this year. What will be interesting is to see what Tampa does this summer as Point, Coburn and Stralman need to sign with about 6M in cap next year (about 9M if the cap goes up). I'm sure they will do well and find some interesting methods to keep the team together or acquire cheaper assets as they have always done in the past.
 

trick9

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NHL doesn't have super teams.

Capitals recently finished regular season 3 times with 121, 120 and 118 points and won 0 Cups those years. This practically same ''NBA super team'' was knocked out last season in the Playoffs. They have one of the better teams in recent history in the regular season, for sure though.
 
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HanSolo

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When star players start taking big pay cuts to stack one team to be a cup winner, then I'll call that team a GSW like team. Closest we've come in recent memory was the Avs when Kariya signed for peanuts to join Selanne, Sakic, and Forsberg and they didn't even win the cup.
 

CupsOverCash

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NHL doesn't have super teams.

Capitals recently finished regular season 3 times with 121, 120 and 118 points and won 0 Cups those years. This practically same ''NBA super team'' was knocked out last season in the Playoffs. They have one of the better teams in recent history in the regular season, for sure though.

When star players start taking big pay cuts to stack one team to be a cup winner, then I'll call that team a GSW like team. Closest we've come in recent memory was the Avs when Kariya signed for peanuts to join Selanne, Sakic, and Forsberg and they didn't even win the cup.

The cup is harder to win than hf thinks. Regular season and playoffs are almost totally different games.
 

InglewoodJack

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How does the 2002 Red Wings not ring more than any other of what the NBA superteam comparable is.

Its adding in hofers chasing the championship by all pulling onto a team together. The adding of Hull, Robitille, and Hasek to the already great Red wings roster was ridiculous.
3 cups in 10 years, especially considering that their team drastically changed during that time, isn't really super team material. Another great team, for sure, but you'd expect them to go at least back to back if not 3-4 in a row.
 

InglewoodJack

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When star players start taking big pay cuts to stack one team to be a cup winner, then I'll call that team a GSW like team. Closest we've come in recent memory was the Avs when Kariya signed for peanuts to join Selanne, Sakic, and Forsberg and they didn't even win the cup.
The closest we could get to a super team is literally if Colorado's first line all left to go play for Tampa (probably at something like 5 mil/year)
 

God King Fudge

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This super team business only comes true if Karlsson plays here for almost free on July 1st
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Kranix

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They're the best team in the NHL. Basketball is too different to make this comparison.
 

ClydeLee

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3 cups in 10 years, especially considering that their team drastically changed during that time, isn't really super team material. Another great team, for sure, but you'd expect them to go at least back to back if not 3-4 in a row.
Boston Celtics super team only one 1 time... and they're the big driving force beyond the concept of what the super team is about.

This isnt a dynasty. It's about absurdly loading up superstars on a roster
 

Luigi Lemieux

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Hate to rain on the parade because i really do enjoy watching Tampa, but these super seasons usually don't end in a cup.

Teams with 120+ points in the cap era:

Washington 2016 (120 points) - lost in 2nd round
Washington 2010 (121 points) - lost in 1st round
Detroit 2006 (124 points) - lost in 1st round

Some honorable mentions:

Nashville 2018 (117 points) - lost in 2nd round
Washington 2017 (118 points) - lost in 2nd round
Vancouver 2011 (117 points) - lost in scf
San Jose 2009 (117 points) - lost in 1st round
 
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ChompChomp

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Hate to rain on the parade because i really do enjoy watching Tampa, but these super seasons usually don't end in a cup.

Teams with 120+ points in the cap era:

Washington 2016 (120 points) - lost in 2nd round
Washington 2010 (121 points) - lost in 1st round
Detroit 2006 (124 points) - lost in 1st round

Some honorable mentions:

Nashville 2018 (117 points) - lost in 2nd round
Washington 2017 (118 points) - lost in 2nd round
Vancouver 2011 (117 points) - lost in scf
San Jose 2009 (117 points) - lost in 1st round

Some of this is the injury factor. Way easier to get injuries in the NHL than NBA. Another big reason there won't be a GSW of the NHL. Biggest reason is, hockey is the flukiest major sport. Tampa is freaking awesome, but still a couple of bad bounces and they're out of the playoffs early. Every team is a couple of bad bounces away from an early playoff exit.

There isn't a legitimate equivalent to "puck luck" in other sports. You can talk about shooters going hot and cold in the NBA, but it's still an apples and oranges comparison.
 

TomasHertlsRooster

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They literally haven't even won a President's Trophy yet and they missed the playoffs more recently than they won a conference championship.
 

Sky04

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Hate to rain on the parade because i really do enjoy watching Tampa, but these super seasons usually don't end in a cup.

Teams with 120+ points in the cap era:

Washington 2016 (120 points) - lost in 2nd round
Washington 2010 (121 points) - lost in 1st round
Detroit 2006 (124 points) - lost in 1st round


Some honorable mentions:

Nashville 2018 (117 points) - lost in 2nd round
Washington 2017 (118 points) - lost in 2nd round
Vancouver 2011 (117 points) - lost in scf
San Jose 2009 (117 points) - lost in 1st round

Ouch....
 

God King Fudge

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I don't know what's worse, the constant TB threads or the people that trip over themselves to repeatedly mention they haven't won a Cup, despite that not being the point of the thread.

Good stuff.
 
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GOilers88

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Toronto will be that shortly once they get a stud RHD with term
You mean whenever they manage to win a playoff series. You cant rightly compare a team with a dynasty to a team that hasnt been past the first round in 15 years.
 

quackquackquack

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No because GSW actually won. Until Stamkos proves he is nothing more than the NHL's version of Carmelo Anthony (gaudy numbers in the regular season and skeleton in the postseason), it doesn't mean shit if they win 60 games a year.
 
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