Not really my business to step in here, but when someone says "The only conclusion I can draw...", that doesn't qualify as putting words in your mouth. That qualifies as taking data you've previously shared and drawing their own conclusions, finding their own meaning in that data. At no point was it implied that you felt the same way. The only reference to you is that you like sharing the data.
Are the 2017/2018 Leafs legitimate contenders for the Cup?
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Read carefully, he actually doesn’t put any words in your mouth. He acknowledges your last line and then continues in to his own opinion.
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They aren't contenders - in many of the games against top teams this season, they've been outplayed badly.
Last night, I thought Nashville were outstanding for 40 minutes, and that's third period is probably as dominant a period as any team has put up against the Leafs all season. Andersen is the reason we got out of there with anything.
And that's OK. There's going to be an element of natural progression and growth with this group, that isn't going to happen overnight. That was a good test last night, and Boston in the 1st round is going to be a pretty big learning lesson too.
Last night, I thought Nashville were outstanding for 40 minutes, and that's third period is probably as dominant a period as any team has put up against the Leafs all season. Andersen is the reason we got out of there with anything.
And that's OK. There's going to be an element of natural progression and growth with this group, that isn't going to happen overnight. That was a good test last night, and Boston in the 1st round is going to be a pretty big learning lesson too.
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Do you think it's this annoying post that got under your skin?
Not impressed by these sample sizes. We're 1-0 vs Winnipeg, plan the parade. We're just 0-1 against TB, plan the parade.
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Had to look up some stats for a Calgary fan saying we were not a contender. Here is our record this season against other "contenders":
Nashville: 1 and 1
Boston: won 2 of 3
Washington: 1 and 1
Winnipeg: won only game
Vegas: 1 and 1
Tampa: lost only game
So overall we have a winning record against all the "contenders". Not one of them has owned us.
Nashville: 1 and 1
Boston: won 2 of 3
Washington: 1 and 1
Winnipeg: won only game
Vegas: 1 and 1
Tampa: lost only game
So overall we have a winning record against all the "contenders". Not one of them has owned us.
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Gotta say if these new look Leafs with Dermott and Kapanen are for real, they are most definitely moving the needle. I'm very interested to see how these last 26 games go. They can go on a real run here. If they end up with the perfect #4 C and maybe a veteran #6 RHD, things may fall into place.
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so in a 7 game series a perceived weaker team can win.
Make the playoffs and anything can happen. Think positive.
I happen to think 3 or 4 more wins after 50 plus games is a negligeable difference and means next to nothing.
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I think we're very solidly tier 2, but that also has to do with our path to the cup could be hardest in the whole league. We will not get through TB/BOS/PIT/NSH or something like that, literally the 4 best teams in the league come playoff time. All you need to check is who the St Louis Blues have had to play in the playoffs since 2012. That team reflects about how good I believe we are (top 5-8 teams) and how our playoff fate will be this year.
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We haven't finished the rebuild, but the foundation is almost in place. We're a couple complementary pieces and some experience away from being where we want to be - I don't think looking at this year as an opportunity to contend is going to be so damaging that all those bricks we've laid will suddenly turn into straw.
I don't believe we're at the point where we can be disappointed if we're not in the Final 4, but man oh man, it's not like we're still tearing down and missing major core pieces. Could trading JVR and Bozak help us net one of those complementary pieces? Sure, and if a deal makes sense then I do hope we'll explore it. But not moving these guys this year is not nearly as dire as some seem to want to make it out to be, in my opinion.
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There is no magic "finish the rebuild" point where you now start making moves.
Things aren't done in steps, they are done concurrently.
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I don't dispute, it isn't all or nothing.
At some level you are always rebuilding / planning for the future.
There are degrees of rebuilding and trying to field the best team possible.
Now is the time to rebuild.
Now is the time to move assets for the future.
Now isn't a time to "go all in".
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