Anyone questioning this team’s leadership/management?

[Ace Rimmer]

I dunno, Tkachuk took 15 minutes in penalties last night, lost a fight and the Oilers schooled them....and Lucic does not fight his old teams, he did it with us last year vs Bruins and Kings. Do not pretend Tkachuk knew what he was doing, there is zero evidence that he pushed Lindholm away, rather Neal grabbed Lindholm and took him away. No team in their right mind would ever sit back in any situation, if they had any self respect for their logo would allow a guy like Kassian to ragdoll their best player without jumping in. Way too risky for your best player to get hurt.

Show the evidence that Tkachuk pushed Lindholm away.

You can watch the replays as easy as anyone else. I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it for you.

 

[Fatass]

Hey oilers fan in peace. Can you guys explain the whole rent free thing.

Tkachuk got assaulted by kassian, lost a fight to him and then lost to bear.

How does he come out ahead getting beat up? I'm honestly not trolling and a genuine question. How is that a win for Calgary?

I'd say he's your best player. Wouldn't it make more sense for Lucic who's a bottom player to sit for five minutes?

For MT he had to fight to make up for his turtle job. Losing both fights, especially the Kassian one, wasn’t important. Fighting his own battles was.
Why would any Oiler fight Looch? Oilers don’t have anyone in that right class.

 

[Anglesmith]

You can watch the replays as easy as anyone else. I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it for you.

Hah, reminds me of one time when someone posted a thread for a neat Tarasenko goal without a video, so I drew a diagram in MS Paint to help show what happened. Maybe I can do the same favour for Oil Dood:

 

[DFF]

I dunno, Tkachuk took 15 minutes in penalties last night, lost a fight and the Oilers schooled them....and Lucic does not fight his old teams, he did it with us last year vs Bruins and Kings. Do not pretend Tkachuk knew what he was doing, there is zero evidence that he pushed Lindholm away, rather Neal grabbed Lindholm and took him away. No team in their right mind would ever sit back in any situation, if they had any self respect for their logo would allow a guy like Kassian to ragdoll their best player without jumping in. Way too risky for your best player to get hurt.

Show the evidence that Tkachuk pushed Lindholm away.

The oilers didn't school shit. They are still a pathetic team that lost 3 out of 4 to a team that don't even want to compete....go to your own board to trash tkachuk, this is not the place.

 

[redgrant]

For MT he had to fight to make up for his turtle job. Losing both fights, especially the Kassian one, wasn’t important. Fighting his own battles was.
Why would any Oiler fight Looch? Oilers don’t have anyone in that right class.

I wouldnt say any Oiler required to fight Lucic. Id say wouldnt Lucic do the job and pick a fight with an Oiler? Having watch last season when he was here I'd recall seeing Nurse, Khaira, Kassian all fight more than him.

Not sure why hes just standing around and letting the team's best player, Tkachuk, get beat up for a few games now and not do anything. But then again didnt make sense when he was an Oiler last year as well I guess.

 

[redgrant]

I'll answer on the premise that this is a legitimate question.

1. It's been two weeks+ and you're still thinking / talking about it.
2. Tkachuk took no penalty minutes; Kassian took four; Flames scored on that PP. Tkachuk knew precisely what he was doing - he pushed Lindholm away from him with full knowledge of what was about to happen.
3. Apparently Lucic doesn't fight his previous teams/teammates.

Well just as a rebuttal:

1. Youre the one that said rent free - I mean I dont think Kassian is living rent free in flames head. I've actually never heard an Oilers fan mention it, just Flames fans.
As for the two weeks - I'd say it was more of the media than anything as the teams didnt have any games this period.
2. Well he took several penalties in the last two games. I dont follow why he fought Kassian when he said he didnt have to as well. Id say if anyone it has been bothering him more than anyone that he went back on his word and caved to peer pressure.
3. Speaking as an Oilers fan that saw him last year he just doesnt fight period.

Anyways good set of games so far on both sides - hope it continues.

 

[Anglesmith]

I wouldnt say any Oiler required to fight Lucic. Id say wouldnt Lucic do the job and pick a fight with an Oiler? Having watch last season when he was here I'd recall seeing Nurse, Khaira, Kassian all fight more than him.

Not sure why hes just standing around and letting the team's best player, Tkachuk, get beat up for a few games now and not do anything. But then again didnt make sense when he was an Oiler last year as well I guess.

All the Flames are just fine with Kassian doing what he did to Tkachuk, including Tkachuk. Nothing really to respond to given it was such a win for the team.

As for last night, Tkachuk willingly smacked Bear around. Again, not much to respond to. Lucic pulling a Kassian is the opposite of what this team needs. What they need is for Lucic to throw his weight around and push the other team to respond. You can't fault a player for not fighting, because the only way a player can make that happen on his own is by jumping someone illegally and punishing his team (like Kassian). You can fault a player like Lucic for not being enough of a factor, though.

 

[redgrant]

The oilers didn't school ****. They are still a pathetic team that lost 3 out of 4 to a team that don't even want to compete....go to your own board to trash tkachuk, this is not the place.

Dont think anyone is trashing him. Huge respect for Tkachuk, can play on my team anytime. What a lot of Oiler fans are confused about is why are all the flames players eg Lucic just standing around when the teams best player is getting beat up for 3 straight games now?

I mean if someone on the Oilers Tkachuk calibre - say Drai had this set of events: 1. Beat up by Buddy 2. Next game fights Buddy 3. Next game fights Hanafin. Oiler fans would be livid that a guy like Khaira/Kassian/Nurse etc did nothing to protect their star.

Confusion on our end why your team's best player doesnt have guys like Lucic coming to his defence.

 

[redgrant]

All the Flames are just fine with Kassian doing what he did to Tkachuk, including Tkachuk. Nothing really to respond to given it was such a win for the team.

As for last night, Tkachuk willingly smacked Bear around. Again, not much to respond to. Lucic pulling a Kassian is the opposite of what this team needs. What they need is for Lucic to throw his weight around and push the other team to respond. You can't fault a player for not fighting, because the only way a player can make that happen on his own is by jumping someone illegally and punishing his team (like Kassian). You can fault a player like Lucic for not being enough of a factor, though.

Just an FYI - take off the rose colored glasses and check hockeyfights.com and see what the polls say, only the smith talbot one was more decisive.

 

[DFF]

Dont think anyone is trashing him. Huge respect for Tkachuk, can play on my team anytime. What a lot of Oiler fans are confused about is why are all the flames players eg Lucic just standing around when the teams best player is getting beat up for 3 straight games now?

I mean if someone on the Oilers Tkachuk calibre - say Drai had this set of events: 1. Beat up by Buddy 2. Next game fights Buddy 3. Next game fights Hanafin. Oiler fans would be livid that a guy like Khaira/Kassian/Nurse etc did nothing to protect their star.

Confusion on our end why your team's best player doesnt have guys like Lucic coming to his defence.

Lucic is garbage. We know, you know, everyone knows...you don't need to come here to tell us. I doubt you guys are coming over for your love of flames fans so you can stop the bullshit.

And yes our management is stupid to trade for him and too stupid to continue to play him. Even if they were right to get rid of that other useless piece of shit

 

[Anglesmith]

Just an FYI - take off the rose colored glasses and check hockeyfights.com and see what the polls say, only the smith talbot one was more decisive.

Check the comments to view for yourself how impartial the voters were. The truth isn't based on majority, but good work voting in numbers I guess.

Only one player got punches in. The takedown does not, in itself, win a fight. Having a large number of Oilers fans lapping up last night in every way and flooding hockeyfights.com to relive the moments does not retroactively make Bear punch Tkachuk more than Tkachuk punched Bear.

 

[DFF]

Just an FYI - take off the rose colored glasses and check hockeyfights.com and see what the polls say, only the smith talbot one was more decisive.

Poll has hillary winning...I believe my own eyes...nobody won that fight, nothing to crow about anyway

Yes Smith beat up Talbot but I enjoy Smith on the oilers. Good luck.

 

[Anglesmith]

Poll has hillary winning...I believe my own eyes...nobody won that fight, nothing to crow about anyway

Yes Smith beat up Talbot but I enjoy Smith on the oilers. Good luck.

I would tend to agree that if those polls were to be taken seriously, that particular fight would have more way more "draw" votes. Turns out it's just as much of a pissing match as HF polls.

 

[redgrant]

Lucic is garbage. We know, you know, everyone knows...you don't need to come here to tell us. I doubt you guys are coming over for your love of flames fans so you can stop the bull****.

And yes our management is stupid to trade for him and too stupid to continue to play him. Even if they were right to get rid of that other useless piece of ****

I'm not coming for my love of the flames. Obviously youre our arch rivals. I'm just trying to have a civil discussion as I hear flames fans saying a lot of things that really dont make much sense.

 

[redgrant]

Check the comments to view for yourself how impartial the voters were. The truth isn't based on majority, but good work voting in numbers I guess.

Only one player got punches in. The takedown does not, in itself, win a fight. Having a large number of Oilers fans lapping up last night in every way and flooding hockeyfights.com to relive the moments does not retroactively make Bear punch Tkachuk more than Tkachuk punched Bear.

We both have our biases I suppose.

 

[lightstorm]

The Bear Tkachuk thing was quite pathetic tbqh, they both landed one punch each and thats being generous.

Tkachuk shouldnt fight because he's not any good at it.

 

[super6646]

The Bear Tkachuk thing was quite pathetic tbqh, they both landed one punch each and thats being generous.

Tkachuk shouldnt fight because he's not any good at it.

I mean mean I guess he messed dumba up?

 

[InfinityIggy]

Poll has hillary winning..

I always love when people bring up this example, because it’s a great opportunity to explain how probability actually works.

Polling had Clinton winning the popular vote by several % points, which she actually did. That’s not actually the important bit though.

What polling said in regards to her chances to actually win was, that based on how the electoral college votes work, she had about a 90% chance of winning. So 9/10.

It’s a bit like having a ten sided die, and rolling it and getting a 10. Then claiming that dice don’t work because probability says it had a ‘slim’ chance of landing on that number. 10% in reality is not a slim number at all though.

For example let’s say I had ten boxes. 9 of the boxes had $10,000. 1 box contained a bomb that will kill you if you open it. There’s a good chance (if you’re not dim) that you’d refuse to pick a box. This is because as I alluded to, 10% is actually a pretty high probability outcome when you only get to perform the action once. Just like with the election.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

 

[Fatass]

I'm not coming for my love of the flames. Obviously youre our arch rivals. I'm just trying to have a civil discussion as I hear flames fans saying a lot of things that really dont make much sense.

I think you’re off on the purpose if the goon now. There is no purpose. No one on the Flames is going to fight Looch. It’s pointless. Who in the league will fight Looch? Reaves maybe? Any other guys in that weight class (Gudbranson, Wilson) can actually play the game.
MT, and all players now, have to fight their own battles. Hockey is more, fir fighting, like it used to be before the Flyers of the 70’s. Guys fight in their own weight class, when they have to. Even Johnny Hockey will fight if he got pissed off and the guy was close to his size.

 

[DFF]

I always love when people bring up this example, because it’s a great opportunity to explain how probability actually works.

Polling had Clinton winning the popular vote by several % points, which she actually did. That’s not actually the important bit though.

What polling said in regards to her chances to actually win was, that based on how the electoral college votes work, she had about a 90% chance of winning. So 9/10.

It’s a bit like having a ten sided die, and rolling it and getting a 10. Then claiming that dice don’t work because probability says it had a ‘slim’ chance of landing on that number. 10% in reality is not a slim number at all though.

For example let’s say I had ten boxes. 9 of the boxes had $10,000. 1 box contained a bomb that will kill you if you open it. There’s a good chance (if you’re not dim) that you’d refuse to pick a box. This is because as I alluded to, 10% is actually a pretty high probability outcome when you only get to perform the action once. Just like with the election.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

You misunderstood how political polls work but I forgive you.

The poll results are not casino odd.

If it says 90/10 it means 90 people vote for A and 10 for B. It's not that A has 90% change of winning.

Anyway, all I meant to say is poll is meaningless without knowing who you polled and who is using the poll.

Btw, every poll had Hillary won the election not just the popular votes

 

[InfinityIggy]

You misunderstood how political polls work but I forgive you.

The poll results are not casino odd.

If it says 90/10 it means 90 people vote for A and 10 for B. It's not that A has 90% change of winning.

Anyway, all I meant to say is poll is meaningless without knowing who you polled and who is using the poll.

Btw, every poll had Hillary won the election not just the popular votes

Everything you’ve written here is embarrassingly wrong.

 

[redgrant]

I think you’re off on the purpose if the goon now. There is no purpose. No one on the Flames is going to fight Looch. It’s pointless. Who in the league will fight Looch? Reaves maybe? Any other guys in that weight class (Gudbranson, Wilson) can actually play the game.
MT, and all players now, have to fight their own battles. Hockey is more, fir fighting, like it used to be before the Flyers of the 70’s. Guys fight in their own weight class, when they have to. Even Johnny Hockey will fight if he got pissed off and the guy was close to his size.

Having watched Lucic last two years he's not as good of a fighter as he was say 7 or 8 years ago. Most of the other oilers did the fighting last few years including nurse, Kassian, khaira, maroon.

Plus he's actually friends with a lot of tough guys on Edmonton and last thing he'd want to do is lose a fight and ruin a friendship.

Here's hoping you're right, would love to see a jonny kailer scrap. Little guys go til they got nothing left!

 

[redgrant]

I always love when people bring up this example, because it’s a great opportunity to explain how probability actually works.

Polling had Clinton winning the popular vote by several % points, which she actually did. That’s not actually the important bit though.

What polling said in regards to her chances to actually win was, that based on how the electoral college votes work, she had about a 90% chance of winning. So 9/10.

It’s a bit like having a ten sided die, and rolling it and getting a 10. Then claiming that dice don’t work because probability says it had a ‘slim’ chance of landing on that number. 10% in reality is not a slim number at all though.

For example let’s say I had ten boxes. 9 of the boxes had $10,000. 1 box contained a bomb that will kill you if you open it. There’s a good chance (if you’re not dim) that you’d refuse to pick a box. This is because as I alluded to, 10% is actually a pretty high probability outcome when you only get to perform the action once. Just like with the election.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

Good comment. I'd also add the poll was also based on a prediction of what is EXPECTED to happen.

The fight poll was after watching what you just saw who do you think won the fight. Majority voted for bear.

To compare that with clinton trump you'd need a poll AFTER the election asking who do you think won based on the footage you saw election night. In which case I'm sure it would be 90% trump 10% clinton (just the diehards holding out).

 

[Fatass]

Having watched Lucic last two years he's not as good of a fighter as he was say 7 or 8 years ago. Most of the other oilers did the fighting last few years including nurse, Kassian, khaira, maroon.

Plus he's actually friends with a lot of tough guys on Edmonton and last thing he'd want to do is lose a fight and ruin a friendship.

Here's hoping you're right, would love to see a jonny kailer scrap. Little guys go til they got nothing left!

And when the normal sized guys fight, who are not trained to box and are of similar weight, there is way less chance for injury, especially concussion. I too would love to see Johnny and Yams go toe to toe. Seriously how awesome was the Sean vs Nuge fight?

 

[redgrant]

And when the normal sized guys fight, who are not trained to box and are of similar weight, there is way less chance for injury, especially concussion. I too would love to see Johnny and Yams go toe to toe. Seriously how awesome was the Sean vs Nuge fight?

It was the best one because it was totally unexpected. That was a fair fight despite monahnans weight advantage.