Confirmed with Link: Andrew Ladd UFA- 7yrs/ 5.5 AAV

[Islanders4Cups]

He was hot garbage - he was given an opportunity after all the summer hype of making the team and earning a spot as it's #2C.

He was terrible, hence, why he was sent down. I would argue 'this year' he has matured and hopefully he can play at the NHL level bc it was obvious last year he wasn't ready.

The kid was 19 years old, had a very good camp and struggled a few games out of the gate. The whole team sucked out of the gate. We have not seen the real NHLer this kid will be.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

The kid was 19 years old, had a very good camp and struggled a few games out of the gate. The whole team sucked out of the gate. We have not seen the real NHLer this kid will be.

How long does that take, 1/4 of a season, 1/2 a season, a full season? If it takes any of those amounts of time to figure it out in the NHL he cannot be trusted to be the 2C right away.

Again, we have played this 2C game with both Strome and Nelson and both were given too long of a leash. I don't doubt that he'll get there in a year or two, but I'm not comfortable with him there at the start of the season.

 

[enigmatic]

I would love for Barzal to actually establish himself as a NHL player vs the hot garbage he was last year after all the hype of him being ready to takeover the #2 C spot...

hot garbage in the two games where he got barely any playing time? please

been a while--hello, devils advocate...how are you?

 

[PK Cronin]

hot garbage in the two games where he got barely any playing time? please

been a while--hello, devils advocate...how are you?

He was pretty terrible, especially defensively. I've mentioned before how awful I thought he was and re-watched segments of his shifts, he really wasn't ready for the NHL.

 

[Disgraced Cosmonaut]

Hot garbage for two games. Ok. Wow.
Regardless, he tore up the lower ranks this year and is as enticing an offensive center as we've got comin.

Anyway, I would ideally like him to have a year at Bridgeport, but given the current situation- and assuming he has a great camp- I won't be crying if he's playing between two solid vets.

 

[Costigan77]

Hot garbage for two games. Ok. Wow.
Regardless, he tore up the lower ranks this year and is as enticing an offensive center as we've got comin.

Anyway, I would ideally like him to have a year at Bridgeport, but given the current situation- and assuming he has a great camp- I won't be crying if he's playing between two solid vets.

He played as an over-ager in juniors. Forgive me for not really believing that 20 year old playing against 17 year olds equates to NHL ready.

You know who else tore it up as a 20 year old in juniors?

Dal Colle
Strome

How did that turn out?

 

[enigmatic]

He played as an over-ager in juniors. Forgive me for not really believing that 20 year old playing against 17 year olds equates to NHL ready.

You know who else tore it up as a 20 year old in juniors?

Dal Colle
Strome

How did that turn out?

first off, strome put up 60 points his soph year......he is hardly done

to insinuate that the MDC story is fully told is ridiculous

 

[seafoam]

first off, strome put up 60 points his soph year......he is hardly done

to insinuate that the MDC story is fully told is ridiculous

50 points boss.

 

[kmo429]

How long does that take, 1/4 of a season, 1/2 a season, a full season? If it takes any of those amounts of time to figure it out in the NHL he cannot be trusted to be the 2C right away.

Again, we have played this 2C game with both Strome and Nelson and both were given too long of a leash. I don't doubt that he'll get there in a year or two, but I'm not comfortable with him there at the start of the season.

Except we never really did give them a leash at 2C. They were both shuffled between positions and lines relentlessly, even when playing well. We saw Lee-Strome-Nelson as a dynamic young line and then Cappy started playing his sytematic and development games.

 

[24diving]

He played as an over-ager in juniors. Forgive me for not really believing that 20 year old playing against 17 year olds equates to NHL ready.

You know who else tore it up as a 20 year old in juniors?

Dal Colle
Strome

How did that turn out?

It was his draft +1 year, but he was not an overager. He wasn't 20, he only turned 20 a couple of weeks ago.

 

[kmo429]

He played as an over-ager in juniors. Forgive me for not really believing that 20 year old playing against 17 year olds equates to NHL ready.

You know who else tore it up as a 20 year old in juniors?

Dal Colle
Strome

How did that turn out?

Strome was in a higher scoring OHL and put up 36-61-97 in 57 games including playoffs games in the same season as Barzal who did 17-87-104 also in 57 games. Barzal also played longer in the playoffs (tougher opponents.) It's not even apples and oranges, but Strome played ion the higher league, and oh ****, was a 50 point player in his first full season here. Now let's not act like Strome is a massive bust yet. You're a full if you couldn't see his game torn right out from under him by Capuano. Rather than tweaking his system to suit the skills of his players, he tried to tweak his players to fit his system, which led to poor play, which led to benching and lack of confidence and indecision. Strome may never be the player we expected but he very well could be with a real coach. And Anyone would take 50 points from Barzal (or any 2C)

 

[Disgraced Cosmonaut]

He played as an over-ager in juniors. Forgive me for not really believing that 20 year old playing against 17 year olds equates to NHL ready.

You know who else tore it up as a 20 year old in juniors?

Dal Colle
Strome

How did that turn out?

Hmmm. This is a guy slated to be a top 10 pick in his draft year. Thanks to an injury and some odd picks, he fell. Represented Canada quite well last year. I dunno. Guess there's no jump off point for Barzal good enough.
As I said, ideally he'd be in the minors for a bit, but he's got skills. I don't doubt that.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Except we never really did give them a leash at 2C. They were both shuffled between positions and lines relentlessly, even when playing well. We saw Lee-Strome-Nelson as a dynamic young line and then Cappy started playing his sytematic and development games.

That is very true, you are correct, maybe they should've been allowed longer stints at center.

However, I think that with everything going on surrounding this team: trading Strome for Eberle, trading Hamonic for futures, seemingly going all in on Duchene to hopefully help JT's thoughts on an extension, the time is over to have a leash on a young promising center as the 2C.

If that's what we have to do come October so be it, but it does not solve the win-now philosophy that the team should have.

 

[seafoam]

Andrew Ladd has a new foundation in which you literally fish for prehistoric species of fish. Also, he's fairly ripped.

 

[stranger34]

Andrew Ladd has a new foundation in which you literally fish for prehistoric species of fish. Also, he's fairly ripped.

would be nice if ladd had the courage to fight more nhl players instead of going after defenseless animals.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

would be nice if ladd had the courage to fight more nhl players instead of going after defenseless animals.

Yes, punching human beings in the face is way more noble and courageous than going fishing. Not to mention that this is a charity event for his foundation that gives money to sick children.

But why am I not surprised that you would find something negative about this?

 

[seafoam]

Yes, punching human beings in the face is way more noble and courageous than going fishing. Not to mention that this is a charity event for his foundation that gives money to sick children.

But why am I not surprised that you would find something negative about this?

Pretty sure he's being sarcastic.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Pretty sure he's being sarcastic.

I doubt it.

 

[IslandersFan17]

would be nice if ladd had the courage to fight more nhl players instead of going after defenseless animals.

Nope

 

[Sparksrus3]

Maybe start a Is Stranger34 being sarcastic poll ?

Anyway , hockey players are the most down to earth real people ( IMO) of all major sports .
So many players give back to society and the less fortunate. WTG Andrew Ladd. Might soon be Captain Andrew Ladd. You never know.
I wish I was there . Looks like a blast .

 

[Bood12]

would be nice if ladd had the courage to fight more nhl players instead of going after defenseless animals.

here here, I would rather not know what goes on in my favorite athletes lives as I am sure it would make me dislike them, if I knew who my favorite athletes voted for in the elections I am guessing I would stop watching sports all together

 

[Bood12]

Yes, punching human beings in the face is way more noble and courageous than going fishing. Not to mention that this is a charity event for his foundation that gives money to sick children.

But why am I not surprised that you would find something negative about this?

punching humans who are both willing to drop the gloves is alot more noble than going after a defenseless creature who is just wanting to live and let live

 

[ekill08x]

here here, I would rather not know what goes on in my favorite athletes lives as I am sure it would make me dislike them, if I knew who my favorite athletes voted for in the elections I am guessing I would stop watching sports all together

Mixing sports and politics is sacrilegious. Its true, its better to not know.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

punching humans who are both willing to drop the gloves is alot more noble than going after a defenseless creature who is just wanting to live and let live

So you're "pro-fighting" but "anti-fishing?" Defenseless creatures??? Give me a break...

Are you a vegan? Or a hypocrite?

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Mixing sports and politics is sacrilegious. Its true, its better to not know.

Most pro athletes are pretty apolitical and I really wouldn't be moved either way based on who they vote for or where they stand politically. The ones that are informed and passionate about politics (at least publicly) are few and far between. Curt Schilling and Mike Richter come to mind...