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No it is not. For the management so far the competition for one of the two center spot is between DD & Eller. Galchenyuk is use so far as a winger until we get enough real top 6 wingers on both side.So DD doesnt blocks anyone better offensively than him at the center position since Galchenyuk is better winger than DD is accordingly to MT&MB.

Now AK46 was DD before DD he averaged 45pt per 82 games playing with top 6 players,most of the time, like Kovalev and Plek.In 2007-08 season he got a carreer high 53pt at 22 year old then slowly regress to become a 43pt per 82 games leeching on better players. I find it quite similar or even worst to another player we have that averaged ,on the same situation, 51pt per 82 games with a career high 60 point.

So 22-25 year old AK46 would fit but 2015 AK46 would have a guaranteed spot instead of 1 of our youngs like Andriguetto,Sherback,MacCarron,Hudon or whoever that make the team as a top9 forward.I see AK46 as a problem like Parenteau or Bourque we dont need him, let another team make that mistake.

Seriously AK46 at 31 year old out of the Khl :biglaugh:


The biggest problem with PAP and Bourque were their cap hits. That wouldn't be a problem with AK on a cheap 1 year deal.

As for on the ice, PAP was slow as molasses and Bourque was always terrible with the puck, so when he wasn't scoring he was useless. AK, if he hasn't lost his speed, is fast and he can make plays with the puck--and he uses his body.

The worst case scenario with AK is we lose a million, a million and a half in cap space and a young player has to start the season in Hamilton--before being called up to replace AK. The best case scenario is we add a quality offensive weapon to our top nine, which we sorely need. I.e. it's a no-lose signing.
 

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No it is not.

Of course it is. Firstly, AK never stood in the way of someone else acquiring a greater role on the club and never took PP time and offensive opportunities away from a better offensive player in his position.

Secondly, filling a number one centre spot is much more important than filling in depth on the wings. As has been stated a million times in the million DD threads, his production would be excellent in a secondary and tertiary role. As the team's go-to offensive centre, his 45-55 production is inadequate, especially when you consider all the favorable opportunities he is handed to produce that amount of points. AK on the other hand wouldn't be brought in to carry an offensive load, nor to occupy an important position. He'd play in a secondary and tertiary role, to provide depth.

The problem with DD has never been production, but always production in conjunction with role, and that's where you are completely off-base. It's not a matter of both players get 45-55 points and one of them is hated. It's a matter of, hopefully one player will provide 45 points in depth or secondary role, while another gets 45-55 points while getting the most offensive opportunities (linemates, zonestarts, PP time) while simultaneously acting as a road block for a prospect who might finally solve the centreice issue. so you tring to spin it into a bias against DD discussion is completely unfounded and irrelevant.

The difference is crystal clear, no amount of DD victimization from the fan base will change that.

Gallagher had more goals than DSP, PAP and Weise combined last year. The RW needs to be addressed and I don't blame people for thinking AK can be a solution when you consider just how crap the other three were.
 

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The biggest problem with PAP and Bourque were their cap hits. That wouldn't be a problem with AK on a cheap 1 year deal.

As for on the ice, PAP was slow as molasses and Bourque was always terrible with the puck, so when he wasn't scoring he was useless. AK, if he hasn't lost his speed, is fast and he can make plays with the puck--and he uses his body.

The worst case scenario with AK is we lose a million, a million and a half in cap space and a young player has to start the season in Hamilton--before being called up to replace AK. The best case scenario is we add a quality offensive weapon to our top nine, which we sorely need. I.e. it's a no-lose signing.

Fair enough but I'm more pessimist than you.I see him nowadays just like a wasted roster spot and like Andy said earlier I prefer invest on future solution instead of putting that unglued bandaid on our lineup.
 

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Of course it is. Firstly, AK never stood in the way of someone else acquiring a greater role on the club and never took PP time and offensive opportunities away from a better offensive player in his position.

Secondly, filling a number one centre spot is much more important than filling in depth on the wings. As has been stated a million times in the million DD threads, his production would be excellent in a secondary and tertiary role. As the team's go-to offensive centre, his 45-55 production is inadequate, especially when you consider all the favorable opportunities he is handed to produce that amount of points. AK on the other hand wouldn't be brought in to carry an offensive load, nor to occupy an important position. He'd play in a secondary and tertiary role, to provide depth.

The problem with DD has never been production, but always production in conjunction with role, and that's where you are completely off-base. It's not a matter of both players get 45-55 points and one of them is hated. It's a matter of, hopefully one player will provide 45 points in depth or secondary role, while another gets 45-55 points while getting the most offensive opportunities (linemates, zonestarts, PP time) while simultaneously acting as a road block for a prospect who might finally solve the centreice issue.

The difference is crystal clear, no amount of DD victimization from the fan base will change that.

Gallagher had more goals than DSP, PAP and Weise combined last year. The RW needs to be addressed and I don't blame people for thinking AK can be a solution when you consider just how crap the other three were.

DD doesnt block Eller both are middle 6 and one of them is more offensively gifted than the other.Our number one center is Pleky even if he is not playing with Paccioretty like Koivu was our number1 center even if he wasnt playing with Kovalev.

AK46 is not a solution anywhere on our lineup at 31 year old I prefer any youngster having a spot than him.Signing him would delay one of our prospect because AK46 would have a guaranteed spot.

And I dont get ur victimization thing ?But whatever AK46 wont produce and have character issues just let another genius gm get his dumb ass.
 

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DD doesnt block Eller both are middle 6 and one of them is more offensively gifted than the other.

Who said Eller is the one being blocked? False dichotomy. He's fine where he is.

Our number one center is Pleky even if he is not playing with Paccioretty like Koivu was our number1 center even if he wasnt playing with Kovalev.

Nope, he shares duties with DD at ES and taht isn't good enought. Eller performs as you should expect in his role. Plekanec would perform excellently as a second line centre. DD performs awful for a guy who is given a go-to offensive role. The outlier here is clear.

AK46 is not a solution anywhere on our lineup at 31 year old
Goals scored by the RW last season: Gallagher 25, PAP 8, Weise 10, DSP 1. Our current options aren't a solutions and PAP is gone.
I prefer any youngster having a spot than him.Signing him would delay one of our prospect because AK46 would have a guaranteed spot.

No he wouldn't have a guaranteed spot. On a cheap, one year deal you don't feel bad if he's surpassed be a youngster. This is a lame argument.


And I dont get ur victimization thing ?But whatever AK46 wont produce and have character issues just let another genius gm get his dumb ass.
You can't know that he won't produce. As it stands, AK has a better offensive track-record that any RWer not named Gallagher.
 

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He's fresh from the KHL... and he's 31 years old! Of course we know he wouldn't produce! /s
 

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Who said Eller is the one being blocked? False dichotomy. He's fine where he is.
Who else Galchenyuk ?Galchenyuk is a lw until we get 2 real top 6 winger and since the management think they have already 3 top 9centers.


Nope, he shares duties with DD at ES and taht isn't good enought. Eller performs as you should expect in his role. Plekanec would perform excellently as a second line centre. DD performs awful for a guy who is given a go-to offensive role. The outlier here is clear.
It doesnt change the fact that DD is still not our number one center like Pleky wasnt our number 1 center in 2007-08 season. It is a chemistry thing like Carbo was doing back then

Goals scored by the RW last season: Gallagher 25, PAP 8, Weise 10, DSP 1. Our current options aren't a solutions and PAP is gone.
2015 AK46 wouldnt change a thing like Parenteau .Our best chance is on Weise,Kassian or a rookie

No he wouldn't have a guaranteed spot. On a cheap, one year deal you don't feel bad if he's surpassed be a youngster. This is a lame argument.
Yes he would have a one way deal so he would make the team 4 sure , waste that spot and delay someone else .


You can't know that he won't produce. As it stands, AK has a better offensive track-record that any RWer not named Gallagher.I agree that 22-26 year old AK46 has a better track record than the other RW but 2015 AK...Please:shakehead

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Galchenyuk is a lw until we get 2 real top 6 winger and since the management think they have already 3 top 9centers.

It doesnt change the fact that DD is still not our number one center like Pleky wasnt our number 1 center in 2007-08 season. It is a chemistry thing like Carbo was doing back then

2015 AK46 wouldnt change a thing like Parenteau .Our best chance is on Weise,Kassian or a rookie

Yes he would have a one way deal so he would make the team 4 sure , waste that spot and delay someone else .

I agree that 22-26 year old AK46 has a better track record than the other RW but 2015 AK...Please

Since this thread is about AK and not DD, let us return to original retort of "people don't like DD because he scores 45-55 points, but want to acquire AK who has only scored 45-55 points in career".

Again, your comparison is a flawed one. You are comparing two players, playing two different positions, with two different roles in two different contexts.

1. The RW depth on the team is putrid. The centre depth on the Habs including Galchenyuk is quite strong. Acquiring AK would hold back no body, hence why people don't have a problem with him even if he scores 45-55 points like DD does. DD on the other hand, does hold back someone, Galchenyuk. So long as DD is on the team, there is no other place to put him but his current role or he won't be successful. That's a problem because that role should be given to Galchenyuk. And the LW depth or lack there of isn't an excuse. If you really want a player to be put in a position, you'll do what you can to make it happen. There have been more than enough depth options on the wings available to make it happen. This a lame excuse for status quo. In any event, this is one reason why the situations are not comparable despite the point totals being the same.

2. AK would be brought in for a depth role. Whether he will score 45-55 points or not is irrelevant to this discussion given what you're initial and failed retort implied. Yes, DD and AK are both in their careers 45-55 point players, that doesn't mean their comparable at all and that the complaints in one entail a contradiction. The issue has never been that DD scored 45-55 points. The issue has been that DD scores 45-55 points in the role that he is in: Go-to offensive centre, best linemates, top PP time, high o-zone starts. When you take all that into account, it's quite clear why people are unhappy with DD's 45-55 points, even more so when you take into account point 1. AK's 45-55 points on the other hand would be brought in to provide depth, a role wholly different than being the go-to offensive centre. Ideally he'd play a middle 6 role and therefore, those point totals are more tolerable. Whether he can do it or not is irrelevant because that wasn't the point of your original irrelevent comparison.

3. At 1 year on a cheap deal, the Habs have no committment to AK. If they don't like him, they can make him ride the pine like they made PAP do for a good chunk at the end of last season and the POs. The whole AK will hold back young rookies is a false problem. If rookies will be held back it's because MT simply doesn't trust them. He isn't afraid to bench vets. The problem with MT and rookies has always been that he benches vets in favor of other vets. AK wouldn't make what is already occuring any worse.

In sum, 45-55 points in a go-to offensive role, with top linemates, top pp time and high offensive situations in an important position with arguably better players is not at all the same as 45-55 points in a middle 6 position with little committment to the player. Whether he can do it is irrelevent as it was about the comparison between two players and the supposed contradiction.
 

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Since this thread is about AK and not DD, let us return to original retort of "people don't like DD because he scores 45-55 points, but want to acquire AK who has only scored 45-55 points in career".

Again, your comparison is a flawed one. You are comparing two players, playing two different positions, with two different roles in two different contexts.

You are wrong ,they have the same role to provide offense and the numbers show DD is better than 22-26 years old AK46 ever was, now a 31year old AK46 wont provide that middle 6 offense you think he will

1. The RW depth on the team is putrid. The centre depth on the Habs including Galchenyuk is quite strong. Acquiring AK would hold back no body, hence why people don't have a problem with him even if he scores 45-55 points like DD does. DD on the other hand, does hold back someone, Galchenyuk. So long as DD is on the team, there is no other place to put him but his current role or he won't be successful. That's a problem because that role should be given to Galchenyuk. And the LW depth or lack there of isn't an excuse. If you really want a player to be put in a position, you'll do what you can to make it happen. There have been more than enough depth options on the wings available to make it happen. This a lame excuse for status quo. In any event, this is one reason why the situations are not comparable despite the point totals being the same.

Yes the RW depth is bad but I think ,like Parenteau, 2015 AK46 isnt the solution and will block maybe a Sherback to contribute in the middle 6 rw or another youngster.Now for Galchenyuk you might disagree with the management but it seems like they see him ,for now or forever, as our 2nd best LW and putting him in the center without acquiring another good winger would create another big hole on the wing.I think it is a good excuse to keep Chucky on the wing until they ship DD+ in a big trade for a proven winger.

2. AK would be brought in for a depth role. Whether he will score 45-55 points or not is irrelevant to this discussion given what you're initial and failed retort implied. Yes, DD and AK are both in their careers 45-55 point players, that doesn't mean their comparable at all and that the complaints in one entail a contradiction. The issue has never been that DD scored 45-55 points. The issue has been that DD scores 45-55 points in the role that he is in: Go-to offensive centre, best linemates, top PP time, high o-zone starts. When you take all that into account, it's quite clear why people are unhappy with DD's 45-55 points, even more so when you take into account point 1. AK's 45-55 points on the other hand would be brought in to provide depth, a role wholly different than being the go-to offensive centre. Ideally he'd play a middle 6 role and therefore, those point totals are more tolerable. Whether he can do it or not is irrelevant because that wasn't the point of your original irrelevent comparison.

AK46 wont be sign for one and even if MB make this error, he wont produce more than Parenteau ever has. The AK46 cult here is fascinating to say the least.:laugh:.And btw dont be silly, all the bashing DD rightfully take is because he doesnt produce enough in his role like AK46 wasnt back then.AK46 wasnt a 200ft player and was dumb as a rock in the mid 2000s so the comparison is imo spot on.Outside of the 2 first line in MT system he would be useless and extremely mediocre on the top 2 lines.

3. At 1 year on a cheap deal, the Habs have no committment to AK. If they don't like him, they can make him ride the pine like they made PAP do for a good chunk at the end of last season and the POs. The whole AK will hold back young rookies is a false problem. If rookies will be held back it's because MT simply doesn't trust them. He isn't afraid to bench vets. The problem with MT and rookies has always been that he benches vets in favor of other vets. AK wouldn't make what is already occuring any worse.

Signing him is a commitment to play him in favorable situation to try to make the Gm looks good so yes,again, it will hold back our young guns and even 1 million is too much considering our cap status right now if we want to make a meaningful trade during the season. Kassian and one of our youngster are our"inside straight " chances solution for offence and AK46 is more a "Royal flush" chances of being useful
In sum, 45-55 points in a go-to offensive role, with top linemates, top pp time and high offensive situations in an important position with arguably better players is not at all the same as 45-55 points in a middle 6 position with little committment to the player. Whether he can do it is irrelevent as it was about the comparison between two players and the supposed contradiction.They had the same role that is providing offense on the top 6 and didnt produce enough next to good players so a 31 year old inconsistant,dumb as a rock, 1 way player with character issue isnt the solution even in the middle 6 rw depth .I prefer Kassian, Weise and rookies in that spot before that guy.
The hypocrisy is stunning in this thread:laugh:

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You are wrong ,they have the same role to provide offense and the numbers show DD is better than 22-26 years old AK46 ever was, now a 31year old AK46 wont provide that middle 6 offense you think he will

1. DD was still in the ahl at 22 and 23 years old. Andrei already had three 20 goal seasons by the time Desharnais cracked an nhl lineup.

We have no clue whether a 31 year old AK will provide middle 6 offense. He was still very productive in the KHL up until last year.

es the RW depth is bad but I think ,like Parenteau, 2015 AK46 isnt the solution and will block maybe a Sherback to contribute in the middle 6 rw or another youngster.Now for Galchenyuk you might disagree with the management but it seems like they see him ,for now or forever, as our 2nd best LW and putting him in the center without acquiring another good winger would create another big hole on the wing.I think it is a good excuse to keep Chucky on the wing until they ship DD+ in a big trade for a proven winger.

AK at one year with low dollars won't block anyone, not anymore than Weise blocking youngsters last season. False problem.

As long as DD is on the team, there is no place to put him but at centre, and for that sole reason he is a road block AK will never be in the event of a signing.


AK46 wont be sign for one and even if MB make this error, he wont produce more than Parenteau ever has. The AK46 cult here is fascinating to say the least..And btw dont be silly, all the bashing DD rightfully take is because he doesnt produce enough in his role like AK46 wasnt back then.AK46 wasnt a 200ft player and was dumb as a rock in the mid 2000s so the comparison is imo spot on.Outside of the 2 first line in MT system he would be useless and extremely mediocre on the top 2 lines.

I disagree with your speaking in absolutes. The fact is, you don't know. AK didn't produce much in his role, but there wasn't anyone better than him at the time and no rookie with greater potential, so it didn't really matter. That's what you don't get.



Signing him is a commitment to play him in favorable situation to try to make the Gm looks good so yes,again, it will hold back our young guns and even 1 million is too much considering our cap status right now if we want to make a meaningful trade during the season

No signing him is to help get scoring depth on the RW, which was almost non existent last year. Again, you're creating a false problem in order to continue a false narrative of DD's victimization.

Kassian and one of our youngster are our"inside straight " chances solution for offence and AK46 is more a "Royal flush" chances of being useful

At this point, Kassian is a question mark just as AK is. That being said, it never hurts to have depth, there would be no harm in bringing in AK. I would pass because that ship has sailed, but I can understand the logic behind it.

The hypocrisy is stunning in this thread
You're hypocrisy narrative is a false one as you fail to grasp how the current situations and the production therein are not at all comparable, not to mention the fact that a large part your premise is based on the assumption that Scherbak or some other rookie will impress enough to make the team.

Lastly, you once again failed to grasp that it's never been about raw production in the case of DD. It's always been a case of his production and the opportunity cost of him getting 45-55 points. When you take into account that context, the players aren't comparable at all.
 
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Better than most of the players on this team right now.

Wants to proove something.

Get him back.


I preached patience with AK for a long time, but we've seen his best and it was never enough for where he was picked. I just don't see us reaching back into the past to bring a guy like him in.
 

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I don't think you know what KHL means... For an English speaking North American to go over there and be put on a line with two other English speaking North Americans - both of whom are former NHLers - is a "luxury".

No, it's not. It's a convenience at best.

And I'm aware of the KHL. I suspect I'm one of the very few people here who have watched multiple KHL games in person.
 

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I preached patience with AK for a long time, but we've seen his best and it was never enough for where he was picked. I just don't see us reaching back into the past to bring a guy like him in.

Now see, that has nothing to do with what he could bring to the team right now or in the past. He is what he is. A useful top-9 player. He is better than any winger not named Pacioretty, Gallagher and Galchenyuk.
 

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Now see, that has nothing to do with what he could bring to the team right now or in the past. He is what he is. A useful top-9 player. He is better than any winger not named Pacioretty, Gallagher and Galchenyuk.

I dont think you can say that....maybe I should have said....he always leaves you wanting more. I'm just not sold. I'd rather put a rookie in that spot to be honest.
 

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The (temporary) absence of Pacioretty suggests that the Habs should at least look at AKost (or Semin).
 

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The (temporary) absence of Pacioretty suggests that the Habs should at least look at AKost (or Semin).

If you think Max Pacioretty is going to miss a single NHL season game, let alone enough to suggest the Habs should sign a discarded McDonalds Happy Meal, I don't think you've followed the career of Max Pacioretty.
 

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Pacioretty might miss a few weeks - in and of itself that is no reason to acquire a replacement player.
 
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