And Then Everyone Dared Disturb the Sound of Silence (CBA & Lockout) XXIII ‎

Status
Not open for further replies.

Freudian

Clearly deranged
Jul 3, 2003
50,522
17,496
There are most likely no journalists that have great access to what happens in the negotiations. Anyone seriously believes Darche or someone else sits there and messages media people?

Even if they did, everyone with any kind of knowledge has an agenda.

Relax, take a deep breath. There is no reason for the bi-polar overreactions to tweets we're seeing on this forum.
 

NjDevsRR

Hard To Find
Sponsor
Apr 24, 2012
29,021
58,334
Belmar
What happened? Why all of the negativity, I didnt go on here in one day and a lot of the optimism is gone! :rant:
 

AtlantaWhaler

Thrash/Preds/Sabres
Jul 3, 2009
19,785
3,006
Does anyone really believe the 2 sides have met for 20+ hours in consecutive days and have made no progress? I mean really? What do you think they've been doing for all of that time? This is all smoke and mirrors... there is a reason nobody is saying anything publicly and all of this info is being "leaked" from anonymous sources.

All it takes is an issue one side firmly believes in with no compromise. With the collectively huge egos in the same room together, it's easy, even after 20 or so hours of meeting, to fall apart.
 

Tres Peleches

Johnny Turncoat
Jul 13, 2011
8,429
6,788
They don't get paid for playing a game. They get paid for attracting fan interest, which they clearly do as evidenced by the billions of dollars in revenue generated by the league.

And they attract fan interest byyyyyy.... Not playing hockey apparently?

Fans are coming to watch them play hockey, hence they are getting paid to play a game.
 

Hanzee Dent

Registered User
Nov 22, 2010
1,000
2
Might I suggest the next thread be entitled "Lawyers, Guns and Money", because that's what we basically dealing with at this point.
 

canucksfan

Registered User
Mar 16, 2002
44,097
9,700
British Columbia
Visit site
The league can survive one missed season, they already did. 2 in 8 years? I'm not so sure. Even some hardcore fans may begin to walk away if that happens.

That's why I am optimistic. If there wasn't a lockout before, I would be very confident in saying the season is going to be cancelled.

They can't be that stupid an cancel another season.
 

Gm0ney

Unicorns salient
Oct 12, 2011
14,666
13,553
Winnipeg
Why would you think something this preposterous? It's not about Fehr, but what his constituents want. If Bettman hadn't had backers for a cap system, he couldn't shut the league down for a year to get it.

They'd just fire him.

Right, but Bettman could present the case to the owners - "we need to stick to our guns or we'll never get a cap linked to revenues. It may cost us the season, so be prepared. Or 90% of you can continue to hemorrhage money..."

Just like Fehr can present the case to the players this year - "we need to stick to our guns or we'll never get rid of the cap linked to revenues. You'll be in this same situation every 6 years when the owners come to take away more of the revenue YOU earn for them. This may take all season, so be prepared."
 

WetcoastOrca

HFBoards Sponsor
Sponsor
Jun 3, 2011
39,196
24,107
Vancouver, BC
That's why I am optimistic. If there wasn't a lockout before, I would be very confident in saying the season is going to be cancelled.

They can't be that stupid an cancel another season.

Unless egos get in the way you would have to think that common sense would prevail.
I wonder if Bettman cares at all about the fact that he would be the only sports exec who has lost two seasons and had a third labour shortage during his term.
 

amjay13

Registered User
Jan 7, 2007
4,154
544
Scottsdale, AZ
That's why I am optimistic. If there wasn't a lockout before, I would be very confident in saying the season is going to be cancelled.

They can't be that stupid an cancel another season.

Originally I thought this as well but am starting to fear they are indeed that stupid. Fool us once, shame on us. Fool us twice, good bye NHL as we knew it.
 

waffledave

waffledave, from hf
Aug 22, 2004
33,470
15,881
Montreal
Logic dictates all these meetings indicate progress. Unfortunately the NHL is very badly run and has truly clueless leadership on both sides. So forget logic.
 

Luck 6

\\_______
Oct 17, 2008
10,253
1,895
Vancouver
I think Fehr wants the season cancelled so he can convince the players to take the salary cap off the table.

Why do people think this? Fehr will be fired and look like an idiot. The NHL cancelled a season to get the salary cap in place, they didn't just suddenly changed their minds on its worth. If Fehr threatens to take the cap off the table, he's fighting a losing battle. The owners will cancel consecutive seasons if they have to, will the players be okay with that over the salary cap?
 

isles31

Poster Excellont
Feb 19, 2007
4,648
74
LI
It is times like this I am so happy to live in a big OHL town like London.

The OHL is a great league, and a terrific substitute for the NHL. I love driving around the province to see games.

I do sympathize with hockey fans who don't have high level junior or even AHL hockey right at their doorstep though. This lockout must be killing you.

I am missing televised hockey, but I have already been to about six OHL games this year all across the province (Sarnia, London, Guelph, Oshawa, and Belleville) and plan to get to at least a couple more by the season's end (Brampton and Niagara are top priorities before the Battalion move and the Ice Dogs get that new arena).

Its times like this that i am jealous of you for being in an OHL town. There is NOTHING around here without the isles. I go play open hockey in bethpage(last 2 weeks have been no go bc of the mess from Sandy) and i play with Reasoner, Carkner and Boulton...that is the closest i come to watching any sort of hockey. Thankfully im a goalie, so its something i take pride in, even if theyre 4th liners/bottom pair dmen. Stopping them on breakaways is pretty fun...until Carkner Boyle's me
 

billybudd

Registered User
Feb 1, 2012
22,049
2,249
No Snider? If this is the group in the room, we won't see any 'traction'. Jacobs will tell them it's 48% if they don't accept today. :laugh:

I do think it's discouraging that Bettman surrounds himself with nothing but the CBA cheapskates. And its definitely a little off that the Leafs, Flyers, Rangers, Canadians and Canucks don't seem to have an active voice.

Then again, these five idiots are the ones the other 25 guys elected to the CBA committee, so its probably wrong of me to say "Bettman surrounds himself with" as an explanation for why these cheats are calling the shots.
 

Hanklite*

Guest
So the NHLPA gets to talk about pensions, items a lot of companies are doing away with, and then still go and complain about losing a fraction of their million dollar salaries...
 

Some Other Flame

Registered User
Dec 4, 2010
7,542
9,071
With all the overwhelmingly negative tweets and reports, especially from the normally positive reporters, it's hard to not think negatively and with a "sky is falling" attitude.

It truly looks bleak right now. This is a very emotionally painful ordeal. Up and down, down down, up and down, down, down.

No, it really doesn't. The very fact that both sides are continuing to meet despite large disagreements indicates a reason to be optimistic.

Fans here need to understand that both sides could have a CBA finished and agreed upon with the only thing left to do is affix their signatures and they would still say 'there's a lot work left' and 'there's still a big gap to overcome.' Stop reading so much into minute tweets.
 

tarheelhockey

Offside Review Specialist
Feb 12, 2010
85,438
139,472
Bojangles Parking Lot
I don't see Fehr's memo as being particularly troubling. Assuming his description of the NHL's offer is accurate (and I believe it is, because he would be inviting a backlash from the league if he misrepresented it), then all he did was accurately assess it as a demand for further cuts to salary and bargaining rights.

Fehr's job is to communicate the issues to the players, and I can't see any exaggeration in that memo.

But the key point here, the thing that matters, is that he also communicates that these issues will need to be overcome in the upcoming meetings. Not that they are unsurpassable, or outrageous, which is exactly what he would say if things were close to breaking down again.

It's clear from the wording and the tone that Fehr expects to continue working with the NHL to chip away at least the most odious elements of the player-rights proposal (note the line where he contrasts a single concession to the entire package, the former being uncomfortable but the latter being unacceptable) and that he is now operating with the assumption that 50/50 is the final destination (note that he is now objecting to an immediate salary rollback, not a gradual cut). That is all great news, because it signals movement toward the owners' plan. They are at least on the same page that a 50/50 rollback will occur and that some players' rights will be restricted; now it's more about wrangling the specifics together over long hours of negotiation.

I'm not one to give Fehr much credit for anything (see: my posting history) but I don't think he's being unreasonable or counterproductive here.
 

santiclaws

Registered User
May 19, 2005
2,058
0
Originally I thought this as well but am starting to fear they are indeed that stupid.
I've seen nothing to convince me they are. It was perfectly logical for the owners to kill a season last time. I do not believe it is this time around.
 

Frozen Fiend

DOUBLE D
Oct 22, 2007
4,725
0
Kalamazoo
And they attract fan interest byyyyyy.... Not playing hockey apparently?

Fans are coming to watch them play hockey, hence they are getting paid to play a game.

lol. The fans will come back and everyone knows it. That's why they (owners/players) can 'take' this lockout.

The fans are not a part of this. There's only two sides to this, and we don't get a say. We're not a part of the NHL. Sure we buy tickets and make the thing happen, but that doesn't mean we get a say. If I buy a big mac at McDonalds that doesn't make me a part of McDonalds.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad