Analyzing Habs forward over past 25 years, and time to trade Gallagher?

[the]

I’ve always been in favour of trading him. Teams would overpay for him and and the return would be huge. We need to try to land a superstar.

I don’t see him helping us much when our “reset” is done. We still have a long way to go and I don’t think he will have much value 5 years down the line. Also I’m not ready to pay 7m+ for him.

 

[beowulf]

Yes. Never been a Gallagher guy, great player and I'm sure he's a good guy but I've never been a fan. I'm aware it's an unpopular opinion but it's my own.

There has to be a reason, what about his game can you not like? He isn't exactly a polarizing player. I just find it an odd player to not like. I can see someone not liking Drouin while others do. Same with a guy like PK Subban, even a guy like Price.

 

[beowulf]

I’ve always been in favour of trading him. Teams would overpay for him and and the return would be huge. We need to try to land a superstar.

I don’t see him helping us much when our “reset” is done. We still have a long way to go and I don’t think he will have much value 5 years down the line. Also I’m not ready to pay 7m+ for him.

Makes me laugh that people keep on going on about a superstar. How many superstars are there in the whole league? If you draft one, great, but trading the teams future for one is just dumb. Especially since having a superstar, or two in the case of Edmonton for example, does not mean a SC or even the playoffs.

 

[Omar]

Makes me laugh that people keep on going on about a superstar. How many superstars are there in the whole league? If you draft one, great, but trading the teams future for one is just dumb. Especially since having a superstar, or two in the case of Edmonton for example, does not mean a SC or even the playoffs.

It means moving closer to it with some purpose.

 

[beowulf]

It means moving closer to it with some purpose.

You think trading a bunch of assets for a superstar will move the team closer to the SC? No guarantee. What superstar is available right now? At what Price? And with this GM, he would never make such a move, taking a chance like that goes against every fiber in his body.

 

[the]

Makes me laugh that people keep on going on about a superstar. How many superstars are there in the whole league? If you draft one, great, but trading the teams future for one is just dumb. Especially since having a superstar, or two in the case of Edmonton for example, does not mean a SC or even the playoffs.

By superstar I meant a PPG player...

 

[tinyzombies]

Trade Gallagher and you lose me as a fan.

 

[blarneylad]

What does the July 2020 UFA crop look like? Taylor Hall is tops I am sure

 

[Omar]

You think trading a bunch of assets for a superstar will move the team closer to the SC? No guarantee. What superstar is available right now? At what Price? And with this GM, he would never make such a move, taking a chance like that goes against every fiber in his body.

No team has won a Cup without one so, while it’s not guaranteed, it’s close enough to a requirement that you’ll find.

 

[beowulf]

No team has won a Cup without one so, while it’s not guaranteed, it’s close enough to a requirement that you’ll find.

What? Who is a superstar for the Blues just last season? They have a number of star players but none that I would qualify as superstar.

 

[Shabs]

Gallagher should be a Hab for life. He's earned it.

 

[bsl]

Here is an analysis i did from all forwards the Habs got since the last 10 years, and pointing players since we got a cup, 1993. The rating are as follow, as number rank forward in points in the league.
1-30 : First line forward star.
31-60 : First line forward, Not a star, get the job done
61-100: Bottom First line forward, mostly 2nd line forward on some team, not top league talent

2019-2020
Tatar (31). Note Pacioretty 25th
Gallagher (75)
Danault (79)

2018-2019
Domi (45)
Tatar (70)
Drouin (88)
Gallagher (90)
Note Pacioretty 40p in 66, would have made top 100 for 82 games ratio.

2017-2018
Gallagher (83)
Galchenyuk (93)
Patioretty close to same ratio, did not make top 100 even with 82g conversion,but close

2016-2017
Pacioretty (23)
Radulov (67)

2015-2016
Pacioretty (23)
Galchenyuk (53)
Plekanec (61)

2014-2015
Pacioretty (21)
Plekanec (49)
Desharnais (84)
Gallagher (88)
Galchenyuk (97)

2013-2014
Vanek (25), acquired deadline
Pacioretty (42)
Desharnais (72)

2012-2013 ( lockout year )
Pacioretty (33)
Ryder (48) trade
Plekanec (57)
Eller (84)

2011-2012
Pacioretty (37)
Cole (48)
Desharnais (57)
Plekanec (86)

2010-2011
Plekanec (58)

2009-2010
Plekanec (27)
Gomez (55)
Cammalleri (92)

Note top 50 for habs after.
Kovalev (11) in 2007-2008
Ribeiro (30) 2003-2004
Koivu (27) 2002-2003
Recchi (16) , Dampousse (42), Corson (47, in 62 games )1997-1998
Turgeon (13, but trade after 10g...), Damphousse (21) Recchi (22) 1996-1997
Turgeon (18) Damphousse (20) Recchi (36) 1995-1996
Leclair (13) Recchi (19) ( the trade! ),Turgeon (21, from ISL),Damphousse (40) 1994-1995
Damphousse (20) Bellows (48) 1993-1994
Damphousse (24), Muller (27), Bellows (33), Lebeau (46) 1992-1993, year of the Stanley Cup.

Top 50 last 10 years
Domi (2018-2019)( 1 year wonder?)
Pacioretty (2011-2012 threw 2016-2017)
Cole and Plekanec one year bottom 50

Conclusion: Since 97, we never got three top forward in the league at the same time. We gave Pacioretty who finish top 25 three year in a row, and we trade him for two average season. Tatar is more a bottom 60-100 player. Pacioretty is so far top 25 in the league again, with talent around him. We hope Suzuki is more than a bottom 100 player in his career. But my conclusion with all this, we dont have pure talent, and as crazy as it might sound, hes a hard working horse, but it might be time we trade Gallagher and get a deal for a player who got more talent? Hes a bottom 1rst line, top 2nd line player. A trade for Hall? Both around same age, Hall got more talent, four time top 25 scorer in the league. Or perhaps its the time to get maximum value out of him, with picks and prospect, or we make sure we dont overpay him on his next contract, cause hes not prime talent level. We need player with heart, but we really need more talent.

Yes trade Gallagher. This year. No brainer. Too bad he’s hurt again. oh well. Thanks bergy you muppet.

 

[bsl]

Gallagher should be a Hab for life. He's earned it.

Lol. That’s not how it works. And Gallagher would be the first to say so.

 

[Shabs]

What? Who is a superstar for the Blues just last season? They have a number of star players but none that I would qualify as superstar.

Tarasenko qualifies in my book.

 

[Shabs]

Lol. That’s not how it works. And Gallagher would be the first to say so.

Glad I could make you laugh. Cheers.

 

[bsl]

Trade Gallagher and you lose me as a fan.

Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

 

[bsl]

Near impossible to do with a NMC.

Price and his wife would be out of here so fast your head would spin.

Yes. Never been a Gallagher guy, great player and I'm sure he's a good guy but I've never been a fan. I'm aware it's an unpopular opinion but it's my own.

That’s fine. Love the guy too but sign him 8 years at 7? Not.

 

[bsl]

You think trading a bunch of assets for a superstar will move the team closer to the SC? No guarantee. What superstar is available right now? At what Price? And with this GM, he would never make such a move, taking a chance like that goes against every fiber in his body.

So what’s your idea?

 

[HuGo Sham]

this is tricky. what has made the patriots so successful is not falling in love with what a player has done and being ruthless with vets as they decline when they turn 30. Galagher may be an outlier who takes care of his body and breaks down later, but a gionta comparable is not so crazy. Gionta was no longer even a 25 goal scorer by the time he hit 30 and became a checker in his mid 30s. I would double gallagher's salary but hold out on term. He's a ufa at 29? I give him 5 years at 7 mill tops. that way he's kept through till he's 34 and no longer and he gets his 3.75 doubled to about 7 mill.
in a perfect world, i wouldn't give him more than 4 years

 

[Omar]

What? Who is a superstar for the Blues just last season? They have a number of star players but none that I would qualify as superstar.

Who are our star players? We’re talking semantics here.

 

[NORiculous]

I’m guessing MB will have a hard time accepting he could/should trade Gallagher because he is the type of player Marc wants. However, MB did trade Shaw, so I guess anything is possible.

If the return is similar to the Patch trade, I don’t see how he can not do it.

Price and Weber won’t like it though. Could show signs of frustration if they aren’t dealt with properly.

 

[tinyzombies]

Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

You're an ass aren't you?

 

[tinyzombies]

Time to clear house now, all the debates are moot.