ManofSteel55
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It's the two most recent full seasons for each player when both had similar team situations. It was also the last part of the statement with career points before it. If you really want to break it down we can go points per minute played. You need to jump on one piece of my statement and forget the rest because you've got nothing.
The point being debated is that RNH is 2x the player Kreider is, which I've blown out of the water. You have an open floor to prove it since you've now joined the conversation.
The 2X the player part was obviously hyperbole, so let's not get too hung up on that. Objectively, RNH is the more valueable player to date as he can play C, produces slightly more offense (and has in all but one season so far). Kreider certainly has the advantage in a number of ways in regards to physical tools, might have a higher goal scoring upside, and is better around the net, while Nuge is a more cerebral player and has shown to be a better playmaker and two way player. Both guys bring pretty rare skill sets - Kreider with his combination of strength, speed, and touch, and Nuge with his vision, agility, and intelligence. But if we are talking today, you have to consider that one can play C and is coming off of a far superior year than the other.
In regards to the "Nuge sucks at faceoffs" argument, he was horrid earlier in his career. Sub 40% bad, probably shouldn't have been taking faceoffs at all. He has worked on it so his faceoff numbers are at least respectable now (48% last year - nothing stellar, but higher than a number of guys who are 1 C's, so obviously it isn't that big of a deal - Getzlaf, Kuznetsov, Malkin, Barzal, and Karlsson and supposed defensive C's like Henrique and Zetterberg were all lower than Nuge in face off percentage last season). So why are you taking faceoff ability from his entire career into play when he obviously has worked on it? Also, winning faceoffs isn't the entirety of playing C. There is far more to it than they, especially defensively, and Kreider has never been asked to play that type of role, and we know that Nuge can and does well.
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