Coach Discussion: All-purpose Coach Discussion Thread II

[Benny27]

Sounds like no coaching changes coming at all....just awesome

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Sounds like no coaching changes coming at all....just awesome

Guess they figure we had a great year. Team playing to its full 0.500 wins / losses hockey potential in 2019 under Maurice.

 

[raideralex99]

Lol ... Maurice using the injury report to get off the hook.
How about fighting for you players?
Tanev got slashed ... broken finger, no penalty, no fine, no comment just keep the injury report quiet. Maurice should have held a press conference and give the league hell at least Broudeau fights for his players.
Helle gets interfered with on the first 2 goals and Maurice blames Helle for using a challenge ... WTF?
A good coach would have throw a fit to back his goalie even get tossed from the game but instead Maurice throws Helle under the bus ... lol.
How much clutching and holding of the stick did the Blues do and Maurice said nothing. I good coach would have told his players to do the same and if the Jets got a penalty you call out the refs. On that penalty kill where Little stick was held for 10 plus seconds was a disgrace ... even the guy hold on to the puck for 20 seconds behind the net which the Blues almost score. Maurice did nothing instead of giving the refs **** for not blowing the whistle
Playing Ehlers with a fractured?
Seriously ZERO goals in 20 plus playoff games ... he would not be missed.
Nobody went to the front of the net when everybody and their dog said they need to get traffic in front of Binnington. Mean while how many times was Helle interfered with in the series even on one play a Blues stick was struck in Helle's pad.
Maurice is not a players coach and game 6 showed it because the players did not want to fight for him.

 

[Robinson2187]

Sounds like no coaching changes coming at all....just awesome

f***

 

[ChevysDayOff]

The following is not directed at anyone in particular and is kind of a little scatter brained, just thoughts rattling around in my brain.

3 out of 5 years making the playoffs with a young developing team, battling for 1st in the Central the last 2 years, Western Conference finals last year, last 2 years finishing with 99 points and 114 points.

You may not agree with TOI distribution, he ran 55 and 26 too hard on the PK and some 5v5 situations before Christmas in my opinion, but hopefully lesson learned.

Also everyone and their dog has an opinion when it comes to line combinations, you can't satisfy everyone of those opinions.

Coaches systems work (we have all seen them executed for most of last year, and games against Nashville and Vegas this year to name a few) when the team puts the effort in on the ice, the players are the ones on the ice not the coach. Players need to play for the guys beside them on the ice and not the individual efforts we saw at times this year.

If you want to blame PM for not getting his group motivated to play, how much time do you think he or any head coach actually spends in the room. He won't be in there on practice days, game day he will be in there for a couple minutes before the game, intermissions, and a couple minutes after the game. The motivation needs to come from leadership group in the room.

Fix the room before you fire the coach.

 

[Channelcat]

Sounds like no coaching changes coming at all....just awesome

How do you go forward with this? No discipline, no repercussions, no plan = no win

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Paul ended his press conference today with-

"we lost, so that means everything I've said today is Bullshit"

pretty much

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Yeh to me Huddy and Flaherty are bigger issues. They’ve been here since day one. When are they actually going to be held accountable?

Yep, like I said earlier with Huddy in charge the Jets have been in the bottom-half of the league for goals against for 6 of 8 seasons.

2011/12 - 27th in goals against.
2012/13 - 25th in goals against
2013/14 - 21st in goals against
2014/15 - 10th in goals against
2015/16 - 22nd in goals against
2016/17 - 27th in goals against
2017/18 - 5th in goals against
2018/19 - 16th in goals against

Why is Huddy still here? Let him go so he can join the OBC in Edmonton.

 

[Mud Turtle]

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Even before the injuries, with a completely healthy team, we were a below average team. And every team has injuries.
This is far deeper than injuries.
Many here have been saying all year that our point level wasn’t reflective of our level of play. I think it’s pretty obvious now that that is true.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

The following is not directed at anyone in particular and is kind of a little scatter brained, just thoughts rattling around in my brain.

3 out of 5 years making the playoffs with a young developing team, battling for 1st in the Central the last 2 years, Western Conference finals last year, last 2 years finishing with 99 points and 114 points.

You may not agree with TOI distribution, he ran 55 and 26 too hard on the PK and some 5v5 situations before Christmas in my opinion, but hopefully lesson learned.

Also everyone and their dog has an opinion when it comes to line combinations, you can't satisfy everyone of those opinions.

Coaches systems work (we have all seen them executed for most of last year, and games against Nashville and Vegas this year to name a few) when the team puts the effort in on the ice, the players are the ones on the ice not the coach. Players need to play for the guys beside them on the ice and not the individual efforts we saw at times this year.

If you want to blame PM for not getting his group motivated to play, how much time do you think he or any head coach actually spends in the room. He won't be in there on practice days, game day he will be in there for a couple minutes before the game, intermissions, and a couple minutes after the game. The motivation needs to come from leadership group in the room.

Fix the room before you fire the coach.

Often, the way to fix the room is to replace the coach.

 

[Whileee]

Last year we had injuries.

This year every team had injuries.

This year every team had to travel.

Enough already.

What's your explanation for the sharp drop in performance after late December? It certainly coincided in time with the loss of Buff and Ehlers, who happened to be our top D and top F at the time in shot metrics, including expected goals (which is exactly what that chart tracks). Also, I'm not sure if everyone remembers but Scheifele and Wheeler had started the year with poor shot metrics (including expected goals) until Ehlers was put on their LW. They started to improve considerably with Ehlers, and dipped again when Ehlers went down with injury.

Maybe the Jets need better depth, but it's hard to escape the possibility that their performance dip after December was related somewhat to the loss of Buff, Ehlers and Morrissey for long stretches. If you can find a team that didn't struggle with a long absence of two top D, please share.

 

[Trinity]

Based on today's exit interviews, Maurice will be back as head coach next season.

 

[Whileee]

Even before the injuries, with a completely healthy team, we were a below average team. And every team has injuries.
This is far deeper than injuries.
Many here have been saying all year that our point level wasn’t reflective of our level of play. I think it’s pretty obvious now that that is true.

Jets had a sluggish start, influenced largely by poor 5v5 metrics from the CSW line. They were trending up for a stretch with Ehlers on LW with Scheifele and Wheeler. They went into the tank when Buff and Ehlers were injured mid-season and never really came out of that swoon.

I think better decisions about lines and rosters might have improved their performance, particularly breaking up CSW, but injuries probably did play some role, along with subpar performances from players like Laine and Little.

 

[Whileee]

Lol ... Maurice using the injury report to get off the hook.
How about fighting for you players?
Tanev got slashed ... broken finger, no penalty, no fine, no comment just keep the injury report quiet. Maurice should have held a press conference and give the league hell at least Broudeau fights for his players.
Helle gets interfered with on the first 2 goals and Maurice blames Helle for using a challenge ... WTF?
A good coach would have throw a fit to back his goalie even get tossed from the game but instead Maurice throws Helle under the bus ... lol.
How much clutching and holding of the stick did the Blues do and Maurice said nothing. I good coach would have told his players to do the same and if the Jets got a penalty you call out the refs. On that penalty kill where Little stick was held for 10 plus seconds was a disgrace ... even the guy hold on to the puck for 20 seconds behind the net which the Blues almost score. Maurice did nothing instead of giving the refs **** for not blowing the whistle
Playing Ehlers with a fractured?
Seriously ZERO goals in 20 plus playoff games ... he would not be missed.
Nobody went to the front of the net when everybody and their dog said they need to get traffic in front of Binnington. Mean while how many times was Helle interfered with in the series even on one play a Blues stick was struck in Helle's pad.
Maurice is not a players coach and game 6 showed it because the players did not want to fight for him.

Hmmmm... Maurice has plenty of faults, but not complaining enough to the refs doesn't seem like a key concern to me.

 

[Jetsfan79]

I found that interesting as well.

Had to work all day, can you direct me to these quotes/videos (the younger players deflecting coaching questions). I'm assuming I can find them at Jets TV?

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

What's your explanation for the sharp drop in performance after late December? It certainly coincided in time with the loss of Buff and Ehlers, who happened to be our top D and top F at the time in shot metrics, including expected goals (which is exactly what that chart tracks). Also, I'm not sure if everyone remembers but Scheifele and Wheeler had started the year with poor shot metrics (including expected goals) until Ehlers was put on their LW. They started to improve considerably with Ehlers, and dipped again when Ehlers went down with injury.

Maybe the Jets need better depth, but it's hard to escape the possibility that their performance dip after December was related somewhat to the loss of Buff, Ehlers and Morrissey for long stretches. If you can find a team that didn't struggle with a long absence of two top D, please share.

The drop in performance was in full swing before Buf got hurt. So I would ask you if it all started when Buf got hurt, how did it actually start before Buf got hurt?

And how do you explain all of our injuries last year and virtually no impact on performance?

 

[surixon]

Had to work all day, can you direct me to these quotes/videos (the younger players). I'm assuming I can find them at Jets TV.

Winnipeg Jets players 2018-19 end of season interviews – Illegal Curve Hockey

Here are all the interviews. It was the Ehlers, Little and Laine one. They were asked what they thought of the coaching and Ehlers and Laine kind looked around a bit and turned to Little who then answered.

 

[Jetsfan79]

Winnipeg Jets players 2018-19 end of season interviews – Illegal Curve Hockey

Here are all the interviews. It was the Ehlers, Little and Laine one. They were asked what they thought of the coaching and Ehlers and Laine kind looked around a bit and turned to Little who then answered.

Thanks

 

[Duke749]

Hmmmm... Maurice has plenty of faults, but not complaining enough to the refs doesn't seem like a key concern to me.

Think Perreault and Scheif have that covered.

 

[tacogeoff]

Winnipeg Jets players 2018-19 end of season interviews – Illegal Curve Hockey

Here are all the interviews. It was the Ehlers, Little and Laine one. They were asked what they thought of the coaching and Ehlers and Laine kind looked around a bit and turned to Little who then answered.

yup they let the Vet with more experience answer the question as at the end of a season coaching is a hot topic and the reporter that asked that question would love one of the young guys to even drop a hint of negativity or say something ambiguous to run with a story.

Bryan answered it pretty well though.

 

[Jetsfan79]

Winnipeg Jets players 2018-19 end of season interviews – Illegal Curve Hockey

Here are all the interviews. It was the Ehlers, Little and Laine one. They were asked what they thought of the coaching and Ehlers and Laine kind looked around a bit and turned to Little who then answered.

Listened to it and also was able to find video. Also just heard a sound bite on 1290 with Maurice saying there are "feathers needing to be flattened out". Laine's non comment and body language was interesting. I also found Little's comments/wording interesting. Almost as if he wanted to be diplomatic with Ehlers and Laine being within earshot.

 

[raideralex99]

Hmmmm... Maurice has plenty of faults, but not complaining enough to the refs doesn't seem like a key concern to me.

Did you see what Berube did when the Blues got their first penalty after they got 3 PPs?
He was working them for future calls.
St. Louis Blues are the perfect example of firing a coach can improve the team without any changes. The same team from last place in the league to 2nd round playoffs. Yes they added Binnington but Berube showed the team how to play defense too.

 

[Gm0ney]

Yep, like I said earlier with Huddy in charge the Jets have been in the bottom-half of the league for goals against for 6 of 8 seasons.

2011/12 - 27th in goals against.
2012/13 - 25th in goals against
2013/14 - 21st in goals against
2014/15 - 10th in goals against
2015/16 - 22nd in goals against
2016/17 - 27th in goals against
2017/18 - 5th in goals against
2018/19 - 16th in goals against

Why is Huddy still here? Let him go so he can join the OBC in Edmonton.

Goals are random - and goaltending can have a big effect on things.

I think xGA/60 compared to league average might tell us more.

Basically the Jets were below average in xGA/60 when Noel was coach.

2011-12: 2.25 xGA/60, 23rd, -0.10 below league average.
2012-13: 2.34 xGA/60, 25th, -0.21 below league average

Season xGA/60 Rank +/- NHL avg.

Season	xGA/60	Rank	+/- NHL avg
2011-12	2.25	23	-0.10
2012-13	2.34	25	-0.21
2013-14	2.26	19	-0.11
2014-15	2.05	12	+0.09
2015-16	2.15	15	0.00
2016-17	2.12	11	+0.05
2017-18	2.08	4	+0.21
2018-19	2.38	23	-0.06

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Maurice took over midway through the 2013-14 season. The Jets improved slightly after the change, then quite a bit the next year.

The team has been average-or-slightly-better in giving up xG's since Maurice arrived - except for last year when they suddenly were awesome, and this year when they suddenly looked more like a Noel team.

If you're thinking that injuries are the answer to this riddle, well, not entirely. The Jets were at 2.32 xGA/60 when Buff went down at the end of December - ranked 13th. They were 2.44 xGA/60 (23rd) from then until the end of the season. The pre-New Year's team was in line with the other years of Maurice's tenure - except 2017-18...

So maybe last year was an outlier?

 

[cbcwpg]

One easy way to save 26 / 55 from some ice time is to never play them on the PK. It’s ridiculous that they kill penalties as much as they do.

You have 3rd and 4th line players , at least 6 guys, that should be killing all your penalties. They want to play in the NHL, then they can add learning how to kill penalties to their resume. And if they can’t do it get rid of them.

 

[iannn]

One easy way to save 26 / 55 from some ice time is to never play them on the PK. It’s ridiculous that they kill penalties as much as they do.

You have 3rd and 4th line players , at least 6 guys, that should be killing all your penalties. They want to play in the NHL, then they can add learning how to kill penalties to their resume. And if they can’t do it get rid of them.

Yep, our bottom 6 is quick anyways. It's not like we have grinders who can't keep up on the PK