All-Encompassing World Juniors Thread

[Paralyzer008]

I wonder if Canada will run over Finland or be a bit surprised because of how much better they are compared to these awful teams.

 

[Spawn]

Has the tourney started yet?

This is Canada's 3rd game of the tournament iirc

 

[CycloneSweep]

I find it weird that people form their opinions of a prospect based almost sorely on their play in this tournament.

For a lot of people, this is the only time they see them play.

 

[Delicious Pancakes]

Also, wrt Byfield, most people already knew about his inconsistency and bust potential from before the draft. This is not a surprise IMO. He will probably have one or two big games in the tournament and be quiet for the rest of them. I think Stutzle will be a better pro player by a large margin.

Well there's big game #1. This take regarding Stutzle is looking a little warmer today too.

 

[Del Preston]

What an exciting tournament.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Back to 2009 highlights I go.

 

[ohheyhemsky]

I think he has a high floor and low ceiling. Like he should for sure be an NHLer but I don't think he has a high ceiling at all. Nothing wrong with that though, he will be a very useful NHLer.

Yup, agreed. The way he uses his body and his gears alone can get him into the NHL, but I just don't see anything past that. Complimentary, responsible 3rd liner.

This is based on college highlights and the WJC which isn't enough to go off of, but from what you see here, it fits.

 

[Spawn]

I think he has a high floor and low ceiling. Like he should for sure be an NHLer but I don't think he has a high ceiling at all. Nothing wrong with that though, he will be a very useful NHLer.

Honestly that kind of statement about a player gives me flashbacks to Ryan "guaranteed NHLer" O'Marra. Always sketches me out picking a player with no upside in the first round. Not saying that's Holloway. I hope not.

 

[Heavy Dee]

This tournament is broken.

Make it top 6 from previous year. Invite 4 teams for pretournament play in. 2 more advance to make it 8.

Two pools of 4, Round Robin in each division then a cross over to medal round.

Summer tournament of 8 to determine the 4 play in teams.

 

[CupofOil]

I think he has a high floor and low ceiling. Like he should for sure be an NHLer but I don't think he has a high ceiling at all. Nothing wrong with that though, he will be a very useful NHLer.

Low ceiling player? Based on how many personal viewings?

Jeez people, give him more than a few games before making such absolute statements.

I saw him in his 2 college games and I did not see a "low ceiling" player there, @snipes and a few others can attest to this. So much stock put into a few WJC games, same nonsense when Byfield was struggling.

I knew if Holloway didn't score in a few games that the knives would be out. So predictable.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Yup, agreed. The way he uses his body and his gears alone can get him into the NHL, but I just don't see anything past that. Complimentary, responsible 3rd liner.

This is based on college highlights and the WJC which isn't enough to go off of, but from what you see here, it fits.

I could see him having a year or something where he just clicks and fits higher up but other than that.

And that said there is nothing wrong with a guy like this at all.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Low ceiling player? Based on how many personal viewings?

Jeez people, give him more than a few games before making such absolute statements.

I saw him in his 2 college games and I did not see a "low ceiling" player there, @snipes and a few others can attest to this. So much stock put into a few WJC games, same nonsense when Byfield was struggling.

I knew if Holloway didn't score in a few games that the knives would be out. So predictable.

But you are putting all that stock in 2 college games? And I'm not making "absolute" statements. I'm saying what, based on what I've seen and read, I believe his trajectory to be.

 

[McTonyBrar]

First game I am looking forward to is Sweden vs Russia tomorrow night. Let's see what Broberg brings to the first big game of the Tournament

 

[iCanada]

I have to give Byfield credit, he put up some numbers tonight. Wasn't convinced he really had those kind of chops, but he may just be starting to prove me wrong.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

This is Canada's 3rd game of the tournament iirc

I was being very sarcastic.

 

[CupofOil]

But you are putting all that stock in 2 college games?

You're maxing him out as a 3rd line player l, others too, based on a few WJC games and saying he's a low ceiling player based solely on that.

I'm giving the perspective of somebody who watched his college games and saw top 6 upside in those games. Hell, all you have to do is watch those two snipe goals to see that by just watching a 30 second video to see that he has skill.

He'll never be a line driver, he'll never be a flashy player but he absolutely has top 6 upside especially on a team like this one where he doesn't have to drive a line.

 

[Spawn]

I was being very sarcastic.

You don't say

 

[CycloneSweep]

You're maxing him out as a 3rd line player l, others too, based on a few WJC games and saying he's a low ceiling player based solely on that.

I'm giving the perspective of somebody who watched his college games and saw top 6 upside in those games. Hell, all you have to do is watch those two snipe goals to see that by just watching a 30 second video to see that he has skill.

He'll never be a line driver, he'll never be a flashy player but he absolutely has top 6 upside especially on a team like this one where he doesn't have to drive a line.

You do realize that there are a metric f*** ton of 3rd liner or worse nhlers that have scored nice goals outside of the NHL right? 2 goals a player doesn't make.

And I'm not basing it entirely on this tournament. I'm basing it on highlights games I've seen and this tournament is adding to that opinion

 

[Senor Catface]

Can we all agree that if Canada loses the tournament, we can all hysterically and dramatically write 10 messages about how awful the team is, then declare to never post about them again?

 

[Drivesaitl]

I have to give Byfield credit, he put up some numbers tonight. Wasn't convinced he really had those kind of chops, but he may just be starting to prove me wrong.

He played well tonight. Being that I mostly see him with World juniors, I've never really seen anything from him before. he's a strange read too as he plays off the puck almost all the time and without touching it, handling it. 6 pts tonight and he probably didn't have the puck 30 secs in the game. I mean he was fortunate everything went, but he was doing the right kinds of things.

Still, Swiss are awful. Canada was playing against air today and the Swiss only thinking about tomorrow. I mean they weren't even trying to cover in this game. Canada could've been asleep and put up double digits.

 

[CupofOil]

You do realize that there are a metric f*** ton of 3rd liner or worse nhlers that have scored nice goals outside of the NHL right? 2 goals a player doesn't make.

And I'm not basing it entirely on this tournament. I'm basing it on highlights games I've seen and this tournament is adding to that opinion

I don't feel like arguing.

I agree, he's a low ceiling grinder.
I knew you guys would do this if he didn't score in a few games. I just knew it.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Can we all agree that if Canada loses the tournament, we can all hysterically and dramatically write 10 messages about how awful the team is, then declare to never post about them again?

I must be missing something. I just check in and out of the thread quickly. Conditioned habit. I don't do GDT's either.

 

[oobga]

0 points for Holloway in a 10-0 win...

 

[Drivesaitl]

For a lot of people, this is the only time they see them play.

Of course. I might watch 10 junior hockey games a year outside of World Juniors, probably not even that much, and I think its that way for most, thus most of our impressions are on stats, hearsay. I mean before tonight I didn't even know what a Byfield scoring play had ever looked like.

 

[CycloneSweep]

0 points for Holloway in a 10-0 win...

1 point on 26 goals scored while he was playing a probably rough for.him