All-Encompassing Womens Soccer Thread

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  1. koyvoo

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    Among the conclusions, which U.S. Soccer said were verified by an independent accounting firm, are that women's players were paid $34.1 million by the federation from 2010 to 2018 in salaries and bonuses (2018 is the most recent fiscal year for which information was available). That also includes the National Women's Soccer League salaries paid by U.S. Soccer for national team-contracted players. Members of the men's national team were paid $26.4 million by the federation over the same period, the analysis concluded.
     
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    The women also get health insurance through US Soccer, the men do not. Total compensation is completely fair.

    They'll complain that their league salaries shouldn't be included, but US Soccer pays it, and considering how many women's leagues have folded over the year, they need US Soccer to cover those wages.
     
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    Yeah that puts a pretty big dent in the argument. I wasn't aware that US Soccer was propping up the women's league. That's pretty big.
     
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    Distraction from the issue, then what's the issue, because it feels like it's constantly changing. Pay them, what does that mean at this point, what do you want to pay them?
     
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    The issue is accounting. This is not a public company. This isn't even a PL club where we know all of the details on revenue, expenses, sponsorship deals, etc.

    It's not like there are STAT and GAAP standards for how they report things to the media.

    So right now you have one side saying revenue is strictly based on events or game receipts. the other saying revenue needs to factor in sponsorships.
     
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    What does this have to do with equal pay?

    Training and investing in the future of the program is not the same as direct compensation. It is not in any way comparable to the NWSL pay.
     
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    No, not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what the players are wanting. Is it just more pay? Is it to be paid under the exact same structure as the men? Is it to be treated the same as the men, in terms of playing field surfaces, travel, etc.? I no longer know what the main goal or issue is anymore because it feels like the goalposts keep moving.

    Both the Federation and Women are going to present their own biased/slanted cases on it. Revenue should factor in everything, but revenue is only relevant for the people saying players should be paid a % of revenue. Some years women have had the advantage, but typically, the men have the advantage. Revenue has nothing to do with making sure women play on grass surfaces and not turf. Revenue doesn't even impact that argument that many make that they should get more because they win more.

    It seems to be that there really isn't anything that bad going on, and all that's need is a renegotiation of their CBA when it expires or get US Soccer to agree to a renegotiation now. They are being paid fairly, but maybe they want it structured differently. Maybe they want to be paid more instead of receiving benefits like health insurance, which the men do not receive.

    I just wish people would stop acting like it's an apples to apples comparison, just how the NBA and WNBA isn't apples to apples. It's likely in the best interest of the women to receive health insurance through US Soccer, but they also need to understand that, that is apart of their compensation.
     
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    Tip of the cap to gaffer Jill Ellis
     
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    Its no secret that I'm not a fan of Ellis as a coach, but I'll give credit where its due and eat my crow. She really turned that team around after the 2016 Olympics and they steam rolled this World Cup. Somewhat surprised she didn't want to stick around for the Olympics next year, but I guess its better to go out on top rather than have potential let down.

    Also seems like the front runner for the USWNT gneral manager is Kate Markgraf, whom I think is a great candidate, will most likely hire the next coach.

    And then there's this.
     
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    Nothing. Its just an idiot drunk trolling and people falling for it.

    The Bradenton program was shut down in 2017 as it was no longer needed with the expansion of MLS properties, hence no central program was required.
     
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    Anthony DiCicco is not a drunken idiot and he is the son of former USWNT head coach Tony DiCicco and knows a thing or two about women's soccer. And while Bradenton doesn't mean much in terms of equal pay, the point of it was to call out US Soccer and Cordeiro with their letters and "fact sheets" where they pick and choose their facts to mislead the general public.

    The statement from the USMNT players association speaks for itself. Seems like some people glossed over it.
     
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    The USMNT essentially just said, yeah US Soccer treats us all bad, they should stop treating us bad. Of course they are going to say that, if they didn't, journalists would just be constantly asking for their opinion, and if they said something different, twitter would've went off on them.
     
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    If that had nothing to do with the issue it how would it call out what they were presenting? What was misleading about what they provided from the independent audit?
     
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    Apparently the underbelly sites are running with the women get paid more than men nonsense. Good on the men for standing with the women on this issue.
     
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    It's not really nonsense. You can call it misleading, but those are technically the numbers. That's the problem when the women and media framed it as a women vs men issue, instead of the women just fighting for more pay.
     
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    It really is a no brainer here. The only reason the US men make so much is because they're riding Germany, France and other successful team's coattails :laugh:

    Equal pay is obvious.
     
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    So, complain to FIFA, that's not a US Soccer issue. It's like being mad that the worst NBA player makes more than the best WNBA player.
     
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    Seriously, get a clue.

    If all it takes to be an "expert" in women's soccer is to be a daddy's boy, then it shows how clueless people like you are.

    Especially as you hadn't taken the simple task of reading the article he was taking cheapsots at. The author has covered women's soccer and certainly more authoritative than a druken man who is quite easily manipulated.

    Especially since Dure noted that the USSF has been underwriting the NWSL since its inception.

    In other words, the USSF has been keeping women's pro soccer alive after pervious failures. Those failures being caused by the USWNT overestimating its own importance to the soccer landscape.

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    When you hire, to represent you, an attorney that already has an anti-trust lawsuit ongoing against the USSF (over sanctioning of men's soccer), it shows that its nothing more than PR fluff in order to try and strike a deal.

    Too bad you can't see that even with a basic amount of thinking.
     
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