Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part IV
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Won't be able to agree on that assessment. Watched McKinnon play for many years and don't see very as much comparable between the two. Pasta is a terrific player but in my mind falls far short of McKinnon. Sure would be fun to watch them play together though!
No fear of losing that salary, I would help Pasta pack if it meant the. Bruins getting McKinnon. Pasta is skilled yes, yes as you mentioned in a previous post he was running with Crosby for the goal scoring, key word there is "was", he is no longer doing that. You have to take into account the teams players play for and their line mates. Look at Tavares, is he bad because his numbers are down playing with the Islanders. The Avs would never trade McKinnon, he is their best player by far, unfortunately.
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This I may be able to get my head around. I still really worry about getting any of our D prospects to really turn into something as great as things are looking for McAvoy.
Over the volcano
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I don't know, it speaks more to a young player who blames his teammates and refused to listen to his captain or his coach. He's a great player but that sort of thing can be toxic to a team.
PatriceBergeronFan
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Perhaps it speaks to Landeskog as captain? Just a thought. I'm not sold on him period, clearly.
Duchene yes.
Over the volcano
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Maybe, but when it comes down to a young player on one side of an argument and his teammates, captain, and coach on the other, I'm not so sure we should jump to the conclusion that the kid gets it.
How many 6-7+ million dollar a year players can we have. I just don't believe there is a way Boston can trade a cheap player (Carlo) for an expensive player. And then turn around and do it again with Shattenkirk.
Now maybe you have a plan to give Krejci or Rask away in the offseason as salary dumps, but there is only so much cap space
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The drafting of Brandon Carlo has arguably been Sweeney's biggest positive addition to the team since becoming GM. If he trades him for Landeskog — a younger Loui Eriksson who hasn't been a plus player in 4 seasons — then he can kiss his job goodbye.
Ace0813
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+/- is definitely the definitive statistic that measures a player's worth. Good call.
Please explain the comparables between the two players.
The only one I've got is that they are from the same region of the world.
BlackCrowes
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It seems like most posters feel that the trade would work talent wise if the Bruins were able to swing a second deal for a defenseman, using someone such as Spooner as the key piece. But like others have said, what of the cap? If you trade Carlo for Landy, and get someone such as Shattenkirk for Spooner and prospects, are you a better team right now? I think so, yes. But your cap next year is $12 million higher (depending on what you pay Shattenkirk for an extension) and you only moved out less than $3 million, most of which was Spooner's expiring contract. Doesn't this type of double move put the Bruins right back into a cap disaster?
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Landeskog is nothing like Loui.
He's straight power. A guy who plays every shift hard.
I really hope they don't trade Carlo or McAvoy here. It would be a mistake.
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You missed the "in 4 seasons" part at the end of my post. You should go back, read it again, and maybe try to understand it.
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Personally, I'd take more exception to Landeskog being called a younger Eriksson.
Very, very different players.
Ace0813
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So you combined four seasons worth of a flawed stat and presented it as a compelling reason as to why a player isn't good.
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Vlasic's career average is about 24 points. Carlo is on pace for 15 as a rookie. I don't think there's a mountain of difference between the two in terms of their offensive upside.
There have been seasons where Hjalmarsson has played more against top lines that Seabrook. When Keith was being considered for the Norris folks complained that he wasn't as good as the numbers suggested because Hjalmarsson took on all the tough matchups. Brickley even made that argument.
I think Carlo's upside is somewhere in the range of a Hjalmarsson/Vlasic/Seabrook. He can move the puck and he is willing to jump into the offense. Depending on his role and line mates that could lead t points, but even if it doesn't he skates, defends, thinks and passes well.
I think another good indicator of their value, would be the players those teams traded away in order to keep their defensive defensemen. For example, Chicago chose Hjalmarsson over Saad.
All that said, I do hear what you're saying. Defensive D generally don't carry the value that offensive defensemen do. And defensive D are harder to project. Are we trading a future Seabrook or a future McLaren?
Personally, I don't make that move for Landeskog. I'm not convinced he's a better player than Lucic or Horton when they were here, and if he's not then why go to the trouble? Now, if you could get Duchene or someone else who projects to be a legitimate 30-40 goal threat then I'd consider it.
PatriceBergeronFan
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I think I'd rather have Carlo than Larsson, who Chiarelli traded Hall to get. I'd also rather have Hall than Landeskog.
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