Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part IV

[ranold26]

From Adrian Dater early this morning:

If true, then I could see the Bruins jumping on this. Skog and Barrie have 11m in combined cap hits, so big money needs to move out with Carlo or McAvoy.
The question is, whom on the Bruins with a NTC/NMC is willing to go?

You can save me the Krug talk, as I'm really sure COL would unload two players like Skog and Barrie to get Krug.
Also Belesky and Hayes are worthless unless high picks/prospects are in it with them.

 

[Ratty]

I wonder how serious the discussions on Duchene has been. Can he be had for something other than Carlo and McAvoy?

He's a center, a position of strength on this franchise. But, he is a good scorer, more so than Bergy and Krejci who earn their keep as playmakers. He could center the third line, freeing up Backes to stay at RW. And it allows Spooner to be moved for future assets.

 

[JCRO]

If true, then I could see the Bruins jumping on this. Skog and Barrie have 11m in combined cap hits, so big money needs to move out with Carlo or McAvoy.
The question is, whom on the Bruins with a NTC/NMC is willing to go? You can save me the Krug talk, as I'm really sure COL would unload two players like Skog and Barrie to get Krug.

Im not saying the value isnt there.. And as you said theres more coming from the Bruins. Especially in terms of salary.

But I dont really care for Tyson Barries game. At all.

 

[sarge88]

From Adrian Dater early this morning:

Carlo, Czarnik/Heinen, secondary prospect & a 1st.

for Barrie and Landeskog?

 

[BergyWho37]

From Adrian Dater early this morning:

Carlo mite be close to value but McAvory I wouldn't even think of trading unless we needed a #1 center period.

IMO we've been waiting for a guy like him almost since the Ray man kinda like how long we've waited for Tuukka, you just shouldn't trade.

Hope Bruins brass is smarter then this.

 

[Absurdity]

Carlo, Czarnik/Heinen, secondary prospect & a 1st.

for Barrie and Landeskog?

Bruins players with cap need to be sent back in the deal.

I could only imagine how Claude will feel having Barrie, Krug, and McAvoy all on defense (if the latter two stay) .

 

[sarge88]

Bruins players with cap need to be sent back in the deal.

I could only imagine how Claude will feel having Barrie, Krug, and McAvoy all on defense (if the latter two stay) .

Maybe substitute McQuaid/K. Miller for the secondary prospect?

 

[Greek_physique]

If true, then I could see the Bruins jumping on this. Skog and Barrie have 11m in combined cap hits, so big money needs to move out with Carlo or McAvoy.
The question is, whom on the Bruins with a NTC/NMC is willing to go?

You can save me the Krug talk, as I'm really sure COL would unload two players like Skog and Barrie to get Krug.
Also Belesky and Hayes are worthless unless high picks/prospects are in it with them.

I personally still can't see this type of 'big move' being made.

But if it does, do we really need to unload a guy that has a NTC/NMC? Colorado could be willing to eat up some of there salaries if they feel like the prospects are elite and we could give them a guy like Liles (UFA/from Colorado - could then be traded for picks) and others like Czarnik or Spooner.

Also, does Colorado still have the ability to eat some of the players salary? (Not sure how that still works)

 

[DarrenBanks56]

should we claim McElhinney??

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

should we claim McElhinney??

I actually think this isn't a bad idea.

 

[bp13]

Wait, are we talking about acquiring Landeskog AND Barrie? What's that going to cost?

 

[Greek_physique]

I actually think this isn't a bad idea.

Wouldn't that just mean we'd have too many goalies in the AHL? Subban, Mc and Khudobin?

My impression is that Khudobin would play in the farm to hopefully regain his game and eventually be called up again. He needs more PT.

 

[mikelvl]

Wait, are we talking about acquiring Landeskog AND Barrie? What's that going to cost?

WE are talking about it, probably moreso than the Bruins are

 

[Dizzay]

This is going to be an unpopular opinion but I'm not big on Landeskog at all and I'll tell you why.
1) Their seems to be a culture problem in Colorado and he's the captain.
2) Other than the physicality, he's a poor man's Bergy, the physicality is matched by Backes.
3) Sending MacVoy or Carlo seems stupid as D is something we need to build up, especially with Chara retiring, and the likes of Liles/Quaider/K Miller in our starting 6.
4) We need an impact forward to play with Krejci, the Marshy to his Bergy. I don't see GL as that guy. Duchene on the other hand interests me more.

 

[ranold26]

I personally still can't see this type of 'big move' being made.

It's more likely not happening, but I wouldn't quickly dismiss it either. There has been smoke and the Bruins are part of it. Time will tell. The Bruins are not in a great spot standings wise and games in hand wise. They need to act sooner than later.

But if it does, do we really need to unload a guy that has a NTC/NMC? Colorado could be willing to eat up some of there salaries if they feel like the prospects are elite and we could give them a guy like Liles (UFA/from Colorado - could then be traded for picks) and others like Czarnik or Spooner.

Also, does Colorado still have the ability to eat some of the players salary? (Not sure how that still works)

Colorado is tighter to the ceiling than us, but will have much more breathing room than us this summer and onward. Money needs to go from us. That said, I'm hoping Carlo/McAvoy stay and we add a 2/3 D. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[BergyWho37]

should we claim McElhinney??

Not a bad idea but highly doubt we get a wack at him.

 

[Greek_physique]

This is going to be an unpopular opinion but I'm not big on Landeskog at all and I'll tell you why.
1) Their seems to be a culture problem in Colorado and he's the captain.
2) Other than the physicality, he's a poor man's Bergy, the physicality is matched by Backes.
3) Sending MacVoy or Carlo seems stupid as D is something we need to build up, especially with Chara retiring, and the likes of Liles/Quaider/K Miller in our starting 6.
4) We need an impact forward to play with Krejci, the Marshy to his Bergy. I don't see GL as that guy. Duchene on the other hand interests me more.

Not sure how this is all on the captain.....I mean, doesn' the GM assembly this team?

Roy left just before the start of the season, Colorado lost leadership and an effective top line player in O'Reilly and never replaced him properly; there defense is horrible and as much as I like Varlamov he seems to always be hurt.

Don't underestimate how good Landeskog really is...and is a poor man's Bergeron bad for a 24 year old?

 

[ON3M4N]

If they wont do a deal without Carlo/McAvoy then I'm all set. I'd rather have those two to build a blueline around then Landeskog.

 

[Greek_physique]

It's more likely not happening, but I wouldn't quickly dismiss it either. There has been smoke and the Bruins are part of it. Time will tell. The Bruins are not in a great spot standings wise and games in hand wise. They need to act sooner than later.

Colorado is tighter to the ceiling than us, but will have much more breathing room than us this summer and onward. Money needs to go from us. That said, I'm hoping Carlo/McAvoy stay and we add a 2/3 D. I'm not holding my breath.

You're right, I forgot about the buyout cap hit they had because of our old friend B.Stuart.

This is what Colorado acquired for O'Reilly:

The Avalanche acquired defenseman Nikita Zadorov, forwards Mikhail Grigorenko and J.T. Compher, and the No. 31 pick in the draft from the Sabres for O'Reilly and forward Jamie McGinn.

Does anyone recall when Zadorov was traded by Buffalo is he was considered one of there top 2 defensive prospects? I know Ristolainen was one of them.

 

[Dr Hook]

If they wont do a deal without Carlo/McAvoy then I'm all set. I'd rather have those two to build a blueline around then Landeskog.

Yep, 100% agree- not that I blame Avs for wanting them, and if I were them that is the least I'd want for Landeskog. As much as I want to see him as a Bruin, I don't want it at the cost of having a defense corps like we've had the past couple of season for a couple more.

 

[JAD]

No panic trades of Carlo and especially not McAvoy. Work something else out, if not with Colorado then elsewhere. Bruins really need another 'true' RW that plays consistent two way hockey and can contribute 40+ points. It would balance out the forwards and allow guys to play more within their proper line level.

 

[Dellstrom]

Would rather we not build up our defensive future just to break it down... Landeskog is one of my favorite players in the league, and he would be a great fit here, but I said the same two things about Loui.

 

[Absurdity]

Maybe substitute McQuaid/K. Miller for the secondary prospect?

Could be a possibility. I have to wonder though, what's the Bruins prerogative to come out and say Carlo is untouchable yet include him in a trade with Colorado anyways? I feel like the only reason the Bruins stated he was untouchable was because other teams called Sweeney and asked him about Carlo after the news broke out that Colorado wanted Carlo for Landeskog.

If Dater's right about Colorado only making a deal if Carlo or McAvoy is in the deal, my guess, and it hurts, if the Bruins and Avalanche are still talking, it's probably McAvoy going the other way.

I mentioned earlier in the season a potential McAvoy + Spooner + McQuaid deal for Trouba when Trouba had not signed with the Jets yet. In my opinion, it made sense at the time because the Bruins had Carlo who was proving he can play at the NHL level, and adding Trouba who the Bruins would view as a 1st-pairing defenseman in return would give them the opportunity to compete now rather than waiting an extra year for McAvoy. Sure you may give up a future 1st-pairing defenseman, but the Bruins would have got in return a 1st-pairing defenseman that could play right now.

Coming back to the present, this team still wants to compete with the current core in tact. We've heard rumors about the Bruins targeting Landeskog, a player who would help the Bruins offensively who is also a two-way player and is only 24. This deal will not only get the Bruins a young top 6 LW, it could also net them a top 4 defenseman to get McQuaid out of the top 4. Barrie is only 25 and adds more offense to their offensively-lacking defense. You won't be getting a top pairing defenseman in return for McAvoy, but if he is the main piece, you'll be getting a young top 6 LW and a young top 4 D which would fill two major holes on this Bruins team. Looking at the lineup after a possible trade:

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak/Backes
Landeskog - Krejci - Backes/Pastrnak

Chara - Barrie
Krug - Carlo​

I could see why the Bruins would consider doing such a deal. I personally would rather wait it out and see McAvoy and Carlo manning the Bruins' defense for many years to come. However, with ownership wanting this team to make the playoffs and them potentially breathing down Sweeney's neck to do so, I could see a trade like this happening.

 

[compan]

If we trade Carlo, I'll have a hard time digesting that one. I don't think I'd ever be on board with it unless we get a legitimate future #1 back. Which knowing how this team seems to trade top prospects lately, isn't going to happen.

When you trade players like Kessel/Seguin/Dougie, you'd typically have something to show for it.


How about we hold onto Carlo, McAvoy, Bergeron, Pasta and Marchand as untouchables and go from there.

 

[BruinDust]

This team should not be trading either of Carlo or McAvoy.

I don't care if it is Landeskog AND Barrie coming back.