Proposal: All Bruins rumors/proposals: 16/17

[BruinDust]

They'd lose one of their existing dmen to Vegas.

I think they are OK with that.

Teams are going to lose good players. That's the reality.

They can only lose one D-man. So if they lose one in expansion, they still have 4 good D-men.

Trade one, and now your forced to either protect 4F/4D to prevent losing a 2nd one, which means they would likely risk losing one of Granlund/Coyle/Neiderreiter/Staal, likely Granlund or Coyle who are both more valuable than Spooner.

Minnesota's best course of action is to just take their lumps, roll with what they have this season with an aging core, keep their forward group intact, and accept their fate they are losing a D-man.

If you see them move a D, it will be closer to the expansion draft, and it certainly won't be for assets that require protection.

 

[kdog82]

I think they are OK with that.

Teams are going to lose good players. That's the reality.

They can only lose one D-man. So if they lose one in expansion, they still have 4 good D-men.

Trade one, and now your forced to either protect 4F/4D to prevent losing a 2nd one, which means they would likely risk losing one of Granlund/Coyle/Neiderreiter/Staal, likely Granlund or Coyle who are both more valuable than Spooner.

Minnesota's best course of action is to just take their lumps, roll with what they have this season with an aging core, keep their forward group intact, and accept their fate they are losing a D-man.

If you see them move a D, it will be closer to the expansion draft, and it certainly won't be for assets that require protection.

As opposed to acquiring an asset?

 

[Pia8988]

As opposed to acquiring an asset?

As opposed to currently breaking up the best defensive unit in the NHL.

 

[kdog82]

As opposed to currently breaking up the best defensive unit in the NHL.

Yes. They aren't winning the Cup, this is for certain. They stink offensively... something Spooner would help especially on PP and they'd acquire a 1st + a hard nosed RH Dman.

 

[Pia8988]

Yes. They aren't winning the Cup, this is for certain. They stink offensively... something Spooner would help especially on PP and they'd acquire a 1st + a hard nosed RH Dman.

Spooner isn't really helping out Boston offensively or their PP currently. I bet they could get a much better NHL piece than Spooner if they wanted to move Brodin. Not to mention Spooner has a raise coming if they want to keep their new acquired piece.

 

[BruinDust]

As opposed to acquiring an asset?

And then losing another asset.

Minnesota is losing a good-very good player, one way or another.

So say they take your deal, and get Spooner + McQuaid, give Boston Brodin, then along comes Vegas and they take say Charlie Coyle or Marco Scandella.

How is Minnesota benefitting from that?

Because if I'm Minnesota, I'd rather just cough up one of Scandella/Spurgeon/Dumba/Brodin to Vegas, and keep the rest of my assets, than bringing in Spooner + McQuaid, and still losing a very good player.

 

[don]

It seems most everyone is plugging Krug into the 2nd pairing. I'm sorry, but, to me, he is a 3rd pairing player at most. We could do much better.

 

[wintersej]

And then losing another asset.

Minnesota is losing a good-very good player, one way or another.

So say they take your deal, and get Spooner + McQuaid, give Boston Brodin, then along comes Vegas and they take say Charlie Coyle or Marco Scandella.

How is Minnesota benefitting from that?

Because if I'm Minnesota, I'd rather just cough up one of Scandella/Spurgeon/Dumba/Brodin to Vegas, and keep the rest of my assets, than bringing in Spooner + McQuaid, and still losing a very good player.

This is all 1000% true. With the way the guys have developed, I think Brodin is perfect for this team short and long term... but it ain't happening. Instead of the expansion draft making MIN more likely to move one of their 5 D in a trade... its making them LESS likely.

Assuming Chara isn't seriously hurt, ending the season in November, the most realistic trade targets for Boston are pending UFA guys like Strafford or Vrbata to add some scoring punch to the bottom 6.

 

[LSCII]

Spooner isn't really helping out Boston offensively or their PP currently. I bet they could get a much better NHL piece than Spooner if they wanted to move Brodin. Not to mention Spooner has a raise coming if they want to keep their new acquired piece.

Wayne Gretzky in his prime couldn't fix the PP because of the philosophy they've employed. The whole goal for them is to dump and chase, set up the cycle, and work it back to the point for an unscreened shot. Nothing Spooner brings to the table will fix that because it's just dumb and outdated and doesn't mesh with his skill set.

 

[s3antana5757]

It seems most everyone is plugging Krug into the 2nd pairing. I'm sorry, but, to me, he is a 3rd pairing player at most. We could do much better.

Agreed. Been saying this for years. I'm a big Krug believer, but he's over slotted. You can call him a top 4 all you want, but I don't think he's a top 4 on a CHAMPIONSHIP team.

 

[wintersej]

Agreed. Been saying this for years. I'm a big Krug believer, but he's over slotted. You can call him a top 4 all you want, but I don't think he's a top 4 on a CHAMPIONSHIP team.

You are right, he is no Andrew Ference or Trevor Daley.

 

[SpitfireIX]

You are right, he is no Andrew Ference or Trevor Daley.

Its not sarcasm if its true...

Did you watch Andrew Ference when he played in Boston? He and Boychuk were a top 4 pair that went to the cup finals twice. It was Ference and Boychuk that shutdown Crosby in the Conference finals. I could care less how Ference was in Edmonton in Boston he was an outstanding player.

Trevor Daley had a great run last year in the playoffs. He was also a very good defenseman for the Stars when he played there. Krug has more offensive ability but doesn't have the natural hockey sense in his own zone that Daley had in Dallas. No one outside of a Bruins fan would say that Krug is on the level of these Trevor Daley when he was at his best or even in last year's playoff run for that matter.

 

[NDiesel]

Agreed. Been saying this for years. I'm a big Krug believer, but he's over slotted. You can call him a top 4 all you want, but I don't think he's a top 4 on a CHAMPIONSHIP team.

Top 6 of the last 5 champions:

2015-2016:
Maatta-Letang
Daley-Schultz
Cole-Dumoulin

2014-2015:
Keith-Seabrook
Hjalmarsson-Oduya
Timonen-Roszival

2013-2014:
Muzzin-Doughty
Martinez-Voynov
Mitchell-Greene

2012-2013:
Same is 2014-2015

2011-2012:
Martinez-Doughty
Mitchell-Voynov
Scuderi-Greene

You could argue either way on most of these teams, imo, except for the 2013-2014.

Again, just my opinion but I think Krug is definitely a top 4 defenseman, but he's just not a guy who can carry a pairing.

 

[Ice Nine]

It seems most everyone is plugging Krug into the 2nd pairing. I'm sorry, but, to me, he is a 3rd pairing player at most. We could do much better.

Krug is already a second pairing D for us, and been so for two seasons.

 

[Guelph Bruin]

Wayne Gretzky in his prime couldn't fix the PP because of the philosophy they've employed. The whole goal for them is to dump and chase, set up the cycle, and work it back to the point for an unscreened shot. Nothing Spooner brings to the table will fix that because it's just dumb and outdated and doesn't mesh with his skill set.

Amen

 

[bruinmann77]

Read on another site that the bruins and maybe Chicago might get together on something did any one hear about that.

 

[Gordoff]

It has to do with how the cap is calculated. Each day they don't spend to the cap creates a pool of unused money that they can spend on pro-rated contracts later in the season. The longer they wait, the more money they have to spend (and the less a player costs).

Thank You!

Read on another site that the bruins and maybe Chicago might get together on something did any one hear about that.

No but sounds
interesting.

 

[s3antana5757]

Top 6 of the last 5 champions:

2015-2016:
Maatta-Letang
Daley-Schultz
Cole-Dumoulin

2014-2015:
Keith-Seabrook
Hjalmarsson-Oduya
Timonen-Roszival

2013-2014:
Muzzin-Doughty
Martinez-Voynov
Mitchell-Greene

2012-2013:
Same is 2014-2015

2011-2012:
Martinez-Doughty
Mitchell-Voynov
Scuderi-Greene

You could argue either way on most of these teams, imo, except for the 2013-2014.

Again, just my opinion but I think Krug is definitely a top 4 defenseman, but he's just not a guy who can carry a pairing.

They're paying him to do that. He's a T-36 in the NHL amongst defensemen in cap hit. Which makes him a low end #1/high end #2.

Krug is already a second pairing D for us, and been so for two seasons.

And the results have been...two missed play-offs. I hope and pray he proves me wrong, but so far, everything has pointed to it not being the case. As I said, I like Krug. I'm a big supporter. I think the team has overvalued his production and frankly put him in a bad spot. He took less money initially when the cap was an issue, which was great, but they overpaid him to compensate for it. With a lot of young guys expected to play and Chara's money coming off, they're probably ok going forward and it likely won't kill them, but the FO has a very tough time correctly valuing players.

 

[Estlin]

And the results have been...two missed play-offs. I hope and pray he proves me wrong, but so far, everything has pointed to it not being the case. As I said, I like Krug. I'm a big supporter. I think the team has overvalued his production and frankly put him in a bad spot. He took less money initially when the cap was an issue, which was great, but they overpaid him to compensate for it. With a lot of young guys expected to play and Chara's money coming off, they're probably ok going forward and it likely won't kill them, but the FO has a very tough time correctly valuing players.

Pretty much. I like Krug but have long felt that his ideal situation is as a third-pairing LHD and power play specialist. His contract will, however, become problematic if his current play and lack of production continue, and that is the last thing that Boston needs.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

Amen

Powerplay was good last year with Spooner and Eriksson and his 10 PP goals, now we have slow as mud backes in his spot

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Krug is already a second pairing D for us, and been so for two seasons.

getting icetime and doing the job at a level that is playoff worthy are not always the same thing

we missed the playoffs 2 years in a row... theres spots in our lineup that need improving

a huge reason we missed the playoffs is chara played hurt... injuries are a part of the game. when top guys go down other guys are required to step up. playoff teams have guys that can step up

we don't

krug is a bottom pairing guy who has been asked to step up into a 3-4 roll. I give him props for that. asking him to be a 3-4 guy that can step up into a first pair guy is formula for disaster.

much like Andrew ference... was a 5-6 guy who we asked to step up into a 3-4 roll and he did it for us.

not like johnny boychuk or dennis Seidenberg who were legitimate 3-4 guys and we could ask them to step up to a top pair.

it takes 6 dmen to put together an nhl roster and krug clearly brings some strengths to the table. he can generate offense when he isn't being overwhelmed with defensive assignments beyond his capability. sadly it kills the cap to pay a pp specialist 5 million dollars.

we are stuck with this guy now... so we should bite the bullet on him and forget about this experiment to play him 21-22 mins a game. knock his icetime back to 16 mins... give him easy zone starts... play him with our scoring lines... let him focus on the pp...

once he has his scoring touch back we can shop him but for now I wouldn't take him on waivers with that contract and what weve seen the past 20 games.

 

[BruinDust]

Powerplay was good last year with Spooner and Eriksson and his 10 PP goals, now we have slow as mud backes in his spot

This combo of Spooner and Backes on the 1st unit isn't working.

They basically took one of Spooner's best two passing options away from him.

Now it's a PP focused on point shots and Backes standing in front for the screen/deflection.

They've effectively neutured Spooner on the PP, where he is most effective, some would say the only place he is effective.

 

[TheBigBadB]

This combo of Spooner and Backes on the 1st unit isn't working.

They basically took one of Spooner's best two passing options away from him.

Now it's a PP focused on point shots and Backes standing in front for the screen/deflection.

They've effectively neutured Spooner on the PP, where he is most effective, some would say the only place he is effective.

Then they geniunously provide the same structure on PP unit 2 with Zero effect Hayes in front of the net

 

[Brewins]

Then they geniunously provide the same structure on PP unit 2 with Zero effect Hayes in front of the net

I'd rather have a washington like pp that focus' on pasta in the one timer slot and spooner down low by goal where Backstrom/Kuzy sits and work it from there. Can have krejci one the halfwall feeding to krug up top and pasta can rotate up when they cycle low.

 

[wintersej]

This combo of Spooner and Backes on the 1st unit isn't working.

They basically took one of Spooner's best two passing options away from him.

Now it's a PP focused on point shots and Backes standing in front for the screen/deflection.

They've effectively neutured Spooner on the PP, where he is most effective, some would say the only place he is effective.

I'd rather have a washington like pp that focus' on pasta in the one timer slot and spooner down low by goal where Backstrom/Kuzy sits and work it from there. Can have krejci one the halfwall feeding to krug up top and pasta can rotate up when they cycle low.

A crappy thing is that the current setup with Backes as net front instead of Loui below the goal line is that it's giving Spooner more scoring chances on back door plays/rebounds, and he is NOT burying those. I said in a GDT earlier in the year when he did score on one of those, that he was going to score on a lot of those this year... he has been getting the chances, but not the results.

Spooner has two primary skills. Spooner can skate fast and see/execute on difficult passing lanes. And, apparently, he also has the skill of being faced with a mostly empty net and finding his shot hit the goalies chest (I have the same skill!). Bruins could be putting him in a better situation but, when it comes down to it, Krejci and Spooner both need to play with shooters and there are not enough to go around and Spooner has done a crap job of adapting his game.