Rumor: All about Alex DeBrincat -possible trade

[Henkka]

Think this will need a thread on it's own.

Quite a big scenario developing.

Rumoured handshake deal ready:

- Alex DeBrincat to Detroit
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- Filip Zadina to Ottawa
- 2023 NYI 1st round pick (17th overll) to Ottawa (with conditional)
- 2023 2nd rounder to Ottawa (one of the 41st, 42nd, 43rd overalls)

Conditional:
- 2nd rounder becomes BOS 2024 1st pick if certain conditions are met.

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[NickH8]

Think this will need a thread on it's own.

Quite a big scenario developing.

Rumoured handshake deal ready:

Alex DeBrincat to Detroit
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2023 NYI 1st round pick (17th overll) to Ottawa (with
2023 2nd rounder to Ottawa (one of the 41st, 42nd, 43rd overalls)

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No need to even mention Zadina in the trade lol

 

[stillwater]

I guess if Connor Bedard still isn't there at the #17 pick, then the trade is void.

 

[DTR]

Detroit Sports Nation is not a reputable source.

And it makes no sense why Yzerman would freeze his plans to wait and see if Ottawa might get their guy at 17. That would be absolutely moronic by Steve.

 

[datsyukfan]

Detroit Sports Nation is not a reputable source.

And it makes no sense why Yzerman would freeze his plans to wait and see if Ottawa might get their guy at 17. That would be absolutely moronic by Steve.

This. Don’t doubt that there’s a good chance this debrincat deal happens but not like this

 

[Henkka]

Detroit Sports Nation is not a reputable source.

And it makes no sense why Yzerman would freeze his plans to wait and see if Ottawa might get their guy at 17. That would be absolutely moronic by Steve.

The conditions seems to be that if Ottawa will get the certain player, Yzerman won't have to do that "extra-pay" with Bost 1st. Then it will be the 17th overall + Zadina + 2nd.

I don't think it will be voided, at any case. It's already done deal, with these conditions.

It has to be completed after 17th overall on draft day, and before the 2nd rounders on next day.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I like that there are actual rumors developing but this one is a little out there.

 

[Detroit Knights]

The conditions seems to be that if Ottawa will get the certain player, Yzerman won't have to do that "extra-pay" with Bost 1st. Then it will be the 17th overall + Zadina + 2nd.

I don't think it will be voided, at any case. It's already done deal, with these conditions.

It has to be completed after 17th overall on draft day, and before the 2nd rounders on next day.

Yeah that isn't what it says at in regards to it being voided lmao. It literally just says that it will change the compensation of the second to bos 1st next year...

yikes guys.

I like that there are actual rumors developing but this one is a little out there.

Well I wasn't too far off with zadina + 2nd rounder + late 2023 pick (round 5-7)

I was actually damn near dead on...so close

 

[datsyukfan]

Yeah that isn't what it says at in regards to it being voided lmao. It literally just says that it will change the compensation of the second to bos 1st next year...

yikes guys.


Well I wasn't too far off with zadina + 2nd rounder + late 2023 pick (round 5-7)

I was actually damn near dead on...so close

Isn’t 17 in the deal? That’s not dead on that’s a big difference in value

 

[lhsgolf19]

The conditions seems to be that if Ottawa will get the certain player, Yzerman won't have to do that "extra-pay" with Bost 1st. Then it will be the 17th overall + Zadina + 2nd.

I don't think it will be voided, at any case. It's already done deal, with these conditions.

It has to be completed after 17th overall on draft day, and before the 2nd rounders on next day.

Stop refencing that site, they are a farce

 

[The Real Pastafarian]

If true, that's a great deal for us.

We'd have (pulls number out of butt) maybe a 19% chance of #17 becoming a Debrincat-level guy, even in this draft, and it would take a few years. We'd have maybe a 3% chance of getting such a guy with one of the second-rounders.

This makes it much less likely that we pick Benson at 9 too, and to me, that's a plus, I think there are better options.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Isn’t 17 in the deal? That’s not dead on that’s a big difference in value

ehhhhh i said almost dead on and I did in multiple instances say 2024 1st plus the others. I didn't think yzerman would give up that 17...not sure why he would do that. But someone else above did say that this publication isn't exactly good at this stuff i guess.

So we shall see.

If true, that's a great deal for us.

We'd have (pulls number out of butt) maybe a 19% chance of #17 becoming a Debrincat-level guy, even in this draft, and it would take a few years. We'd have maybe a 3% chance of getting such a guy with one of the second-rounders.

This makes it much less likely that we pick Benson at 9 too, and to me, that's a plus, I think there are better options.

Why do you say this?

I like Benson, but I am just not sure how the two correlate...

 

[Henkka]

Isn’t 17 in the deal? That’s not dead on that’s a big difference in value

It would basicly be:

Hronek + Zadina + 4th
for
DeBrincat

If the same same picks will go Ottawa, which was got for Hronek (NYI 1st + VAN 2nd)

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Don't like attaching an extra pick on top of 17 and Zadina. Don't like it at all.

MFer better be potting 35+ every season. What he did this last season in Ottawa isn't enough for that price.

 

[The Real Pastafarian]

ehhhhh i said almost dead on and I did in multiple instances say 2024 1st plus the others. I didn't think yzerman would give up that 17...not sure why he would do that. But someone else above did say that this publication isn't exactly good at this stuff i guess.

So we shall see.


Why do you say this?

I like Benson, but I am just not sure how the two correlate...

We already have Raymond, small goal-scoring wing. Debrincat is also a small goal-scoring wing -- very small, but he doesn't play that small, he's one of those wriggly somewhat powerful shorter guys, like Savoie (who I really wanted last year.)

We don't need a third undersized scoring wing -- we'd end up with 3 of the 4 in our top six at under 5'11". Someone has to go into the corners and get the puck.

 

[Bench]

Detroit Sports Nation is not a reputable source.

And it makes no sense why Yzerman would freeze his plans to wait and see if Ottawa might get their guy at 17. That would be absolutely moronic by Steve.

These kinds of conditions are quite common in NFL trades on draft day. Simply because there's just way more draft pick trades in the NFL. They often have backup trade back scenarios already agreed upon if their top choice is off the board.

So I dunno why it's so "moronic" to have multiple options you like on the table.

Having a tentative draft deal doesn't stop you from making a better deal if it comes along. Might rub the team getting cut out wrong, but they have agency too.

But that said I have my doubts about the sources here. I just think in principle it's not a silly way to negotiate your draft picks.

 

[TCNorthstars]

We already have Raymond, small goal-scoring wing. Debrincat is also a small goal-scoring wing -- very small, but he doesn't play that small, he's one of those wriggly somewhat powerful shorter guys, like Savoie (who I really wanted last year.)

We don't need a third undersized scoring wing -- we'd end up with 3 of the 4 in our top six at under 5'11". Someone has to go into the corners and get the puck.

Raymond isn’t really that big of a goal scorer. More of a set up guy.

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

I don't think Debrincat is worth more than $8 million but he will probably command it because production is the top factor for a player's salary but he doesn't bring anything more than the production and factoring what we would have to give up to acquire him, it just isn't worth it.
If we were ready to compete for a playoff spot the Taylor Hall trade would be a much better option even though he probably isn't much bvetter without the puck (although his the size and speed makes him more effective in that regard) because we wouldn't have to give up much to get him

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

We already have Raymond, small goal-scoring wing. Debrincat is also a small goal-scoring wing -- very small, but he doesn't play that small, he's one of those wriggly somewhat powerful shorter guys, like Savoie (who I really wanted last year.)

We don't need a third undersized scoring wing -- we'd end up with 3 of the 4 in our top six at under 5'11". Someone has to go into the corners and get the puck.

In 2021, a huge portion of Tampa Bay's forward core was under 6'. I don't think SY places a premium on size at forward.

 

[Henkka]

As a comparison:

 

[Snuggs]

Hmm... Won't mind it if it's Zadina, 17, and the 2nd round pick.

Will really like it if he's paid under 8 million.

Be interesting to see if this is true.

 

[Henkka]

We already have Raymond, small goal-scoring wing. Debrincat is also a small goal-scoring wing -- very small, but he doesn't play that small, he's one of those wriggly somewhat powerful shorter guys, like Savoie (who I really wanted last year.)

We don't need a third undersized scoring wing -- we'd end up with 3 of the 4 in our top six at under 5'11". Someone has to go into the corners and get the puck.

We could have:

6'7 - 6'1 - 5'9 (Söderblom - Larkin - DeBrincat)
6'6 - 6'1 - 5'11 (Rasmussen - Copp - Raymond
5'11 - 6'1 - 6'1 (Fabbri - Veleno - Perron)
6'2 - 6'1 - 5'11 (Kubalik - Kasper - Berggren)

...or some other combinations.

So eight guys at 6'1 or more and only 4 small wingers, one per line.

Tampa Bay had 5 guys under 6'0 on their Cup winning teams, and several players at 6'0.

Johnson 5'8
Gourde 5'9
Coleman 5'11
Kucherov 5'11
Point 5'11

Stamkos, Palat, Cirelli, Colton as 6'0.

Red Wings core is much bigger than that.

 

[The Real Pastafarian]

In 2021, a huge portion of Tampa Bay's forward core was under 6'. I don't think SY places a premium on size at forward.

Braden Point is a center, not a wing -- we were talking about wings. And we were talking about top-6 wings, like Debrincat, and Raymond, and (if we draft a wing at 9) whoever we draft 9th overall.

Huge portion? Point, and a couple of bottom-6 guys. Unless I'm missing someone -- which I might be, because they're so wee tiny.

 

[Detroit Knights]

We could have:

6'7 - 6'1 - 5'9 (Söderblom - Larkin - DeBrincat)
6'6 - 6'1 - 5'11 (Rasmussen - Copp - Raymond
5'11 - 6'1 - 6'1 (Fabbri - Veleno - Perron)
6'2 - 6'1 - 5'11 (Kubalik - Kasper - Berggren)

...or some other combinations.

So eight guys at 6'1 or more and only 4 small wingers, one per line.

Fabbri plays a lot bigger than 5'11''...honestly...

and debrincat is 5'7'' but I see where you are going with this.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Not happening.