Own goal but Eklund last on the puck and is rewarded with it. Started with a great volley interception by Holtz
Prospect Info: Alexander Holtz (#7 pick - 2020 draft)
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Guadana
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2 goals and safe the puck in pp when Djurgarden scored 3rd goal.
Get excited for Holtz, looks to be the real deal and a potential 40 goal scorer in the NHL one day especially playing with centers like Hughes and Hischier.
Luke Hughes and Eklund would be fun
Guadana
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Will is a good and interesting specialist but his rankings and method are not representative. Anyway I have to agree Eklund should be in top 10.
Emperoreddy
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Copium dens in Detroit doing a solid business rn.
Wings fans don't seem to covet and worry about other team's prospects like we do.
Hell we have more posts from this game about kids we should draft next season then about Holtz itself.
Check the Holtz thread on the main board. There are quite a few Wings fans posting in a thread that they should theoretically have no interest in.
LW Alexander Holtz - Djurgardens IF, J20 (2020, 7th, NJD)
That said, I actually agree with the Wings fan that said that neither Holtz nor Raymond is significantly ahead of the other right now. It's nice to watch Holtz have a good start to the season, but I don't think it means much long term. My post was really a joke.
Lou is God
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I was just coming in here to post that the Red Wings fans are starting to get a bit testy at the suggestion Holtz might be better than Raymond.Check the Holtz thread on the main board. There are quite a few Wings fans posting in a thread that they should theoretically have no interest in.
LW Alexander Holtz - Djurgardens IF, J20 (2020, 7th, NJD)
That said, I actually agree with the Wings fan that said that neither Holtz nor Raymond is significantly ahead of the other right now. It's nice to watch Holtz have a good start to the season, but I don't think it means much long term. My post was really a joke.
He's played 15 games. It's not a rabbit hole worth even discussing right now.
Guadana
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16-17
Raymond ____ppg 1.167
| J18 Allsvenskan | 18 | 11 | 10 | 21 |
Holtz ____ ppg 1.69
| J18 Allsvenskan | 13 | 12 | 10 | 22 |
R 0-1 H
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Raymond _____ ppg 1.89, 1.93, 0
| J18 Elit | 18 | 14 | 20 | 34 |
| J18 Allsvenskan | 15 | 13 | 16 | 29 |
| J20 SuperElit | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Holtz____ ppg 2.64, 2,23, 0,72
| J18 Elit | 17 | 23 | 22 | 45 |
| J18 Allsvenskan | 13 | 18 | 11 | 29 |
| J20 SuperElit | 11 | 4 | 4 | 8 |
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Raymond
| J20 SuperElit | 37 | 13 | 35 | 48 |
Holtz
| J20 SuperElit | 38 | 30 | 17 | 47 |
Raymond has little better ppg, but Holtz scored more. Much more.
You can count that as you want, i give no points here.
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Raymond ______ ppg 1.56, 0,3
| J20 SuperElit | 9 | 3 | 11 | 14 |
| SHL | 33 | 4 | 6 | 10 |
Holtz _________ ppg 3, 0,64
| J20 SuperElit | 3 | 7 | 2 | 9 |
| SHL | 35 | 9 | 7 | 16 |
3 and 9 games is not representive distance, i don`t give points for j20 here, only for SHL
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20-21 is still in the game, Holtz was much better when Frolunda and Djurgarden met, and Holtz has better ppg, anyway i`m not giving points here. Yet.
Raymond 0 - 5 Holtz. I don`t think Devils fans should worry here. I understand that Raymond is a better 200 foot player. But Holtz wasn`t drafted because of his 200 foot game. And now he started to be a much better playmaker than he was, and now he is making better decision on the ice than he made before. Holtz has become to chose a much better position, and what is very important, he does not drop out of the game.
I was in Raymond's camp before the draft, but the Devils picked Holtz. And I don't have to worry about the pick yet.
Wierzbowski426
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Detroit seems very sensitive about their prospects. Similar to Ottawa, and NYR. Basically what ever the current HF boards flavor of the week is in terms of prospects seem to get super sensitive anytime that position is challenged.
I find it pretty enjoyable tbh lol.
I find it pretty enjoyable tbh lol.
BurntToast
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While Holtz has similar numbers (he has played fewer games due to the vid), it’s Lundell’s numbers that seem to have struck a nerve.
They swung for the fences with Raymond. He had the biggest bust potential in this draft IMO. I wouldn't have wanted the Devils to touch him.
Lundell is going to be a great NHL player. Nothing flashy, but damn reliable and consistent. Big fan of his, but not the type of player you take that high with the talent that was still available.
Emperoreddy
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Its not even a good comparison because Lundell, Holtz, and Raymond are going to fill different roles from each other in the NHL.
Hockey Duckie
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It all depends on what your franchise wants in this particular draft.
Out of Raymond, Holtz, and Lundell, Lucas Raymond has the highest ceiling, but will he reach that ceiling? That's the gamble the Wings are taking, but his progression is going to be slower than Holtz and Lundell because Raymond has some catching up to do physically. The Wings will have to wait a few years before seeing a more polished Raymond. If Raymond does reach his potential, then watch out!
The Devils could have used a defenseman, but both Sanderson and Drysdale were taken. That means you're left with a plethora of talented forwards to choose from. The Devils already have the 1C and 2C set for probably a decade, so centers Lundell or Rossi aren't necessary. Holtz just sticks out like a sore thumb when looking at wingers as he's produced and excelled against men. Thus, he's much closer to making the NHL jump than others, or at least potentially. So the Devils grabbed the best talent that fell to them. It's kinda like how Zegras fell to the Ducks at 9th.
It would be great to see all three players do well in the NHL because that means we all get to witness some awesome hockey! And since players all develop at different times and players do get traded, it's almost pointless to be playing this "my prospect is better than your prospect" when fans should be wondering if your prospect will fit your franchise and its direction for the near future. Sometimes, some players need to be traded once or twice for their minds to sync with their talent. An example of this is William "Wild Bill" Karlsson. A highly talented center drafted by the Ducks, but had issues when sent back down to the AHL. Eventually, Wild Bill got traded to Columbus. Nothing happened there. Finally, he was exposed in the Vegas expansion draft and everything finally clicked for Wild Bill.
- Winger Raymond: elite toolkit, 200-foot player, but small in stature in draft year as he struggled against men
- RW Holtz: elite shot, great finisher, high motor, underrated playmaker, as well as adapted physically and mentally against men, but defensive concerns
- C Lundell: smart, steady center with 1C potential
Out of Raymond, Holtz, and Lundell, Lucas Raymond has the highest ceiling, but will he reach that ceiling? That's the gamble the Wings are taking, but his progression is going to be slower than Holtz and Lundell because Raymond has some catching up to do physically. The Wings will have to wait a few years before seeing a more polished Raymond. If Raymond does reach his potential, then watch out!
The Devils could have used a defenseman, but both Sanderson and Drysdale were taken. That means you're left with a plethora of talented forwards to choose from. The Devils already have the 1C and 2C set for probably a decade, so centers Lundell or Rossi aren't necessary. Holtz just sticks out like a sore thumb when looking at wingers as he's produced and excelled against men. Thus, he's much closer to making the NHL jump than others, or at least potentially. So the Devils grabbed the best talent that fell to them. It's kinda like how Zegras fell to the Ducks at 9th.
It would be great to see all three players do well in the NHL because that means we all get to witness some awesome hockey! And since players all develop at different times and players do get traded, it's almost pointless to be playing this "my prospect is better than your prospect" when fans should be wondering if your prospect will fit your franchise and its direction for the near future. Sometimes, some players need to be traded once or twice for their minds to sync with their talent. An example of this is William "Wild Bill" Karlsson. A highly talented center drafted by the Ducks, but had issues when sent back down to the AHL. Eventually, Wild Bill got traded to Columbus. Nothing happened there. Finally, he was exposed in the Vegas expansion draft and everything finally clicked for Wild Bill.
Emperoreddy
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Holtz is a super high end talent that fits the need for this team like a glove.
We got playmakers up and down the lineup. We needed a high end goal scorer to pot some of these pretty set ups.
We got playmakers up and down the lineup. We needed a high end goal scorer to pot some of these pretty set ups.
SteveCangialosi123
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I'm guessing that with both of his usual linemates out they probably thought it would be easier to just drop him than jumble other lines to keep him up higher in the lineup
He's been out for a while and expects to be back on tuesday or thursday, but can't go to Canada to play in the WJCs
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