Alex Ovechkin hits 700 career NHL goals!

[Susannah]

Considering I watched every player mentioned here I couldnt give a damn about credibility.

Imagine a hybrid between ovechkin and macdavid who was also 6'5.... thats mario

Well, he was not always playing so there goes that.

 

[filinski77]

To put this season so far in perspective, with Ovi's 37 goals so far, he has the 8th most goals ever scored in a 34-year old season in the history of the NHL (in only 51 GP so far)

3rd place is 38 goals
2nd place is 42 goals
1st place is 47 goals

Ovechkin may literally shatter this record

 

[Sentinel]

Ovechkin may literally shatter this record

Not sure what you will consider "literally shatter."

 

[Sentinel]

Considering I watched every player mentioned here I couldnt give a damn about credibility.

Imagine a hybrid between ovechkin and macdavid who was also 6'5.... thats mario

Mario didn't have 1/2 of Ovechkin's physicality.

 

[filinski77]

Not sure what you will consider "literally shatter."

Fair enough LOL. I'm saying he could get 10+ more goals then the current record.

 

[MikeK]

The best pure goal scorer I've ever seen play in the NHL. What a consistently great career so far. Really interested in what his final numbers will look like when all is said and done.

 

[illpucks]

The best pure goal scorer I've ever seen play in the NHL. What a consistently great career so far. Really interested in what his final numbers will look like when all is said and done.

He's not a pure goal scorer. He can do other things.

 

[tenken00]

Considering I watched every player mentioned here I couldnt give a damn about credibility.

Imagine a hybrid between ovechkin and macdavid who was also 6'5.... thats mario

I'm sorry. I've never seen either Ovechkin or McDavid dive. Ever. At 5 feet 6 feet or 7 feet.

 

[Oil Dood]

Considering I watched every player mentioned here I couldnt give a damn about credibility.

Imagine a hybrid between ovechkin and macdavid who was also 6'5.... thats mario

Mario could not skate like McD. Mario was amazing though because of that rare size hands and smarts. I wish he could have stayed healthy his whole career because he was a treat to watch.

I really took for granted as a fan watching Mario and Gretzky. It is a mistake that I am not making with McDavid.

 

[Confused Turnip]

Not directly commenting to you guys, but generally about that "PP-specialist" narrative. Let's check all time great goal scorers whom scored 500 or more in their respective careers. The group is not big, but it is all time best in regular season goal scoring all hypoteticals left aside. Simplest way to look to their degree of "PP specialism" is just take PP goal percentage of their total goals scored. The list ordered by amount of goals scored:

800, 700, and 600 Goals Clubs

Gretzky________22.8%
Howe_________26.3%
Jagr__________ 28.3%
Brett Hull______ 35.8%
Dionne________ 32.0%
Esposito_______34.3%
Gartner________30.6%
Ovechkin_______37.3%
Messier________25.8%
Yzerman_______29.2%
Lemieux_______34.2%
Selänne________37.3%
Robitaille_______37.0%
Shanahan_______36.1%
Andreychuk_____42.8%
Sakic__________32.8%
Bobby Hull______25.2%
Ciccarelli_______38.2%
Kurri__________25.8%

500 Goals Club

Recchi_________34.7%
Bossy__________31.4%
Niewendyk______38.1%
Sundin_________28.4%
Modano________28.0%
Marleau________30.3%
Lafleur_________27.5%
Bucyk__________28.6%
Francis_________34.2%
Goulet__________32.7%
Richard_________26.3%
Mikita__________27.7%
Tkachuk________39.4%
Mahovlich_______22.9%
Hossa__________27.2%
Trottier_________20.7%
Verbeek_________35.6%
Hawerchuk_______35.1%
Turgeon_________36.9%
Roenick_________35.9%
Perreault________26.2%
Beliveau________34.1%
Bondra_________29.6%
Mullen_________29.9%
McDonald_______27.8%

The core of problem of so called PP-specialism is that nobody, like ever when making HFB comment, determine what he/she means when PP-specialist tag is applied to some player (honestly or with intent to use it as an argument of bad faith). Its clear that Alex Ovechkin is "PP Specialist" relatively, objectively. But if he is that whom else are too when using same criteria? Lemieux, Selänne, Brett Hull, Esposito, Robitaille, Shanahan, Andreychuk, Ciccarelli, Recchi, Niewendyk, Francis, Tkatchuk, Verbeek, Hawechuk, Turgeon, Roenick, Beliveau are PP specialist too, if OV is. But how about Sakic, Marleau, Bondra, Dionne, Gartner, just to mention few?

What exactly is the minimum threshold for someone to be considered PP-specialist? 30% of goals? Or do "PP-specialist" need more than 40% to be true PP-wizard? If we factor in PP TOI, does PP G/60 impact to the degree of PP specialism also?

And, the last but not least, how exactly someone being prolific in scoring power play goals can ever be considered as something that would lower a player's goal scoring resume? It seems that using that tag with bad faith will dump a lot of **** over many legendary all time greats in NHL goal scoring.

In this relative comparison, not that surprisingly it is The Great One who survive best from that alleged PP-specialism ****.

Thanks for those numbers. Looking at them it seems to me like Ovi is broadly in line with his peers or maybe slightly on the high side. The exceptions seem to be the handful of guys who are under 30%.

 

[Dondini]

Not sure what you will consider "literally shatter."

well he’s on pace for 59, so yah that would be considered as shattering it

 

[Confused Turnip]

Considering I watched every player mentioned here I couldnt give a damn about credibility.

Imagine a hybrid between ovechkin and macdavid who was also 6'5.... thats mario

There's no style comparison between Mario and Ovi. Ovi is the best expression of the Neely/Lindros/Messier power forward archetype ever. Mario could be compared more to Bure or McDavid or even a young Jagr as a fast, high skill guy who used his size in small doses for things like protecting the puck. And even the McDavid/Bure comparison is a bit thin because Mario had hella speed but not that kind of speed.

 

[Sam Spade]

To put this season so far in perspective, with Ovi's 37 goals so far, he has the 8th most goals ever scored in a 34-year old season in the history of the NHL (in only 51 GP so far)

3rd place is 38 goals
2nd place is 42 goals
1st place is 47 goals

Ovechkin may literally shatter this record

Can I ask who had the 47 goals? When I looked it up on HRef I get Frank Mahovlich at 43 goals at age 34 in the '71-'72 season.

Player Season Finder | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[filinski77]

Can I ask who had the 47 goals? When I looked it up on HRef I get Frank Mahovlich at 43 goals at age 34 in the '71-'72 season.

Player Season Finder | Hockey-Reference.com

I use QuantHockey for these types of stats. Not too sure what their age cutoff is, because it is different than Hockey-Reference that has Messier's 47 goal season being his 35 year old season.

34-Year Old NHL Players - Regular Season Stats

 

[Confused Turnip]

I use QuantHockey for these types of stats. Not too sure what their age cutoff is, because it is different than Hockey-Reference that has Messier's 47 goal season being his 35 year old season.

34-Year Old NHL Players - Regular Season Stats

Messier had a midseason birthday. They're probably computing the age cutoffs differently. I wonder which one is the "official" NHL way.

 

[Richard]

There's no style comparison between Mario and Ovi. Ovi is the best expression of the Neely/Lindros/Messier power forward archetype ever. Mario could be compared more to Bure or McDavid or even a young Jagr as a fast, high skill guy who used his size in small doses for things like protecting the puck. And even the McDavid/Bure comparison is a bit thin because Mario had hella speed but not that kind of speed.

Mario could not skate like McD. Mario was amazing though because of that rare size hands and smarts. I wish he could have stayed healthy his whole career because he was a treat to watch.

I really took for granted as a fan watching Mario and Gretzky. It is a mistake that I am not making with McDavid.

I'm sorry. I've never seen either Ovechkin or McDavid dive. Ever. At 5 feet 6 feet or 7 feet.

Then you havent watched many McDavid or Ovechkin games? What can I say, maybe you're new at hockey.

Mario, pre 1992, could skate like McDavid and got a lot of speed off of his outside edges, the same way MacDavid Does.

At 35, back surgeries, cancer, he still blows by Chara in 2001



Mario could use his size exactly the way Ovechkin/Neely/Lindros did/does. He blow through traffic areas and people, used his body as a powerforward and scored goals in the heavy traffic areas. You could literally stand two McDavids shoulder to shoulder with how wide Mario's body is.



He could do it all and was the best I've ever seen. He scores anyway you can imagine and was the best at doing. Breakaway? Best ever. One Timer? Best Ever. Slapshot Best ever (Tied with Gretzky, though Mario had just a bit more power and Wayne had a bit more accuracy), rebound... best, snap... best, wrister.... best. Deflection... BY FAR THE BEST.

Sorry, as someone who was able to watch them all play Mario Lemieux is the greatest goal scorer and second best passer in NHL history.

 

[filinski77]

Messier had a midseason birthday. They're probably computing the age cutoffs differently. I wonder which one is the "official" NHL way.

Without looking into it, maybe Quanthockey calculates it based off the cutoff of what age you play the majority of the season as (since I think Messier has a early January birthday).

Either way, I use that site since it compiles it all nicely to find LOL. Either way, I expect Ovechkin to be #1 for 34 year old seasons, regardless of if the current record is 42 or 47

 

[Oil Dood]

Then you havent watched many McDavid or Ovechkin games? What can I say, maybe you're new at hockey.

Mario, pre 1992, could skate like McDavid and got a lot of speed off of his outside edges, the same way MacDavid Does.

At 35, back surgeries, cancer, he still blows by Chara in 2001



Mario could use his size exactly the way Ovechkin/Neely/Lindros did/does. He blow through traffic areas and people, used his body as a powerforward and scored goals in the heavy traffic areas. You could literally stand two McDavids shoulder to shoulder with how wide Mario's body is.



He could do it all and was the best I've ever seen. He scores anyway you can imagine and was the best at doing. Breakaway? Best ever. One Timer? Best Ever. Slapshot Best ever (Tied with Gretzky, though Mario had just a bit more power and Wayne had a bit more accuracy), rebound... best, snap... best, wrister.... best. Deflection... BY FAR THE BEST.

Sorry, as someone who was able to watch them all play Mario Lemieux is the greatest goal scorer and second best passer in NHL history.

I also got to watch them all play, Mario was dominant but I would not call him the greatest goal scorer, that like many other things belong to Gretzky.
The most dominant player of all time is Bobby Orr, I had to go back and rewatch his career through youtube ect and honestly if you want to make an argument for greatest player of all time but had his career cut short Bobby Orr is the best. The guy led the league in scoring as a defensman. Pure domination when he was on the ice at both ends. A rare 200 ft defender with incredible wheels and a great shot.

Again not a slight on Mario but when compairing greats, a lot of it comes down to opinion. Orr could literally do everything including dropping the gloves, hitting, defending, skating, passing,scoring. Amazing.

 

[txpd]

Indeed. Career-wise it would be incredibly odd NOT TO CALL him PP specialist.

I don't mean to be a jerk but are you dense? Being good at something doesn't make you a specialist. A power play specialist is a player you hide until you are on the power play. A player that is so good at the power play that he is worth trying to work around otherwise.

Do you believe that Ovcchkin is a power play only sort of player? That he is a liability 5 on 5?

Is Pastrnak a pp specialist? Stamkos scores a higher ratio of ppg to evg than Ovechkin. Is he a pp specialist?

 

[violaswallet]

Not directly commenting to you guys, but generally about that "PP-specialist" narrative. Let's check all time great goal scorers whom scored 500 or more in their respective careers. The group is not big, but it is all time best in regular season goal scoring all hypoteticals left aside. Simplest way to look to their degree of "PP specialism" is just take PP goal percentage of their total goals scored. The list ordered by amount of goals scored:

800, 700, and 600 Goals Clubs

Gretzky________22.8%
Howe_________26.3%
Jagr__________ 28.3%
Brett Hull______ 35.8%
Dionne________ 32.0%
Esposito_______34.3%
Gartner________30.6%
Ovechkin_______37.3%
Messier________25.8%
Yzerman_______29.2%
Lemieux_______34.2%
Selänne________37.3%
Robitaille_______37.0%
Shanahan_______36.1%
Andreychuk_____42.8%
Sakic__________32.8%
Bobby Hull______25.2%
Ciccarelli_______38.2%
Kurri__________25.8%

500 Goals Club

Recchi_________34.7%
Bossy__________31.4%
Niewendyk______38.1%
Sundin_________28.4%
Modano________28.0%
Marleau________30.3%
Lafleur_________27.5%
Bucyk__________28.6%
Francis_________34.2%
Goulet__________32.7%
Richard_________26.3%
Mikita__________27.7%
Tkachuk________39.4%
Mahovlich_______22.9%
Hossa__________27.2%
Trottier_________20.7%
Verbeek_________35.6%
Hawerchuk_______35.1%
Turgeon_________36.9%
Roenick_________35.9%
Perreault________26.2%
Beliveau________34.1%
Bondra_________29.6%
Mullen_________29.9%
McDonald_______27.8%

The core of problem of so called PP-specialism is that nobody, like ever when making HFB comment, determine what he/she means when PP-specialist tag is applied to some player (honestly or with intent to use it as an argument of bad faith). Its clear that Alex Ovechkin is "PP Specialist" relatively, objectively. But if he is that whom else are too when using same criteria? Lemieux, Selänne, Brett Hull, Esposito, Robitaille, Shanahan, Andreychuk, Ciccarelli, Recchi, Niewendyk, Francis, Tkatchuk, Verbeek, Hawechuk, Turgeon, Roenick, Beliveau are PP specialist too, if OV is. But how about Sakic, Marleau, Bondra, Dionne, Gartner, just to mention few?

What exactly is the minimum threshold for someone to be considered PP-specialist? 30% of goals? Or do "PP-specialist" need more than 40% to be true PP-wizard? If we factor in PP TOI, does PP G/60 impact to the degree of PP specialism also?

And, the last but not least, how exactly someone being prolific in scoring power play goals can ever be considered as something that would lower a player's goal scoring resume? It seems that using that tag with bad faith will dump a lot of **** over many legendary all time greats in NHL goal scoring.

In this relative comparison, not that surprisingly it is The Great One who survive best from that alleged PP-specialism ****.

I'm slightly worried about time-varying power play relevance. Perhaps it became relatively easier to score on the power play due to the tougher even-strength goaltending. Does anyone have league average PPG/G stats?

 

[Voight]

I think is absolutely insane he has a legitimate shot at breaking Gretzky's record..... I don't think many people realize how historic that would be

 

[Faterson]

Not sure what you will consider "literally shatter."

It's been well-known that saying "literally" frequently means literally the opposite of "literally".

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

It's been well-known that saying "literally" frequently means literally the opposite of "literally".

It literally drives me insane how people do that.

 

[filinski77]

It literally drives me insane how people do that.

I apologize that you disapprove of my slang usage. Anyone who read what I originally wrote 100% understood what I was intending.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

I apologize that you disapprove of my slang usage. Anyone who read what I originally wrote 100% understood what I was intending.

you literally missed the joke.