Confirmed with Link: Alex DeBrincat traded to Ottawa Senators

[ploppsdman]

No, I don't. I don't like him as a hockey player.

And I don't like some posters. I guess we all have opinions.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

For sure, but I think you just have to reframe how you see everything.

It's a full teardown, it's going to get ugly, we're not going to like everything that happens, but whatever does happen there's no controlling it. I'd say for the most part I still have faith in KD and the gang even if that Cat trade was rough.

In the meantime, dream of Bedard and cling onto something positive. Many here poke fun at my allegiance to Ian Mitchell, but it does give me something to genuinely look forward to. That's a whole lot better than being miserable.

would rather embrace the tank and be optimistic about building an elite core than be a middling team like minnesota for two decades...as long as they have a vision thats all that matters, we're lucky that the hawks have good ownership that will allow it to happen and allow them to spend the money again to win when its necessary

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Happy Cat is gone. f*** that midget.

What about him did you not like?

 

[The Worst One]

What about him did you not like?

Size. First of all, I don't think you can win cups with midgets. Of course, there have been outliers such as St. Louis, Marchand, etc., but I don't think Cat is on their level. Second of all, I prefer skilled big guys such as Lemieux, Lindros, Draisaitl, etc.

 

[Blackhawks]

This is not how you rebuild, give away 3 1sts for Jones but can’t get 2 1sts for Cat? Lol what is wrong with these people? This is truly pathetic.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

There really isn't precedent for that type of package if one of the firsts is in the top 10 (admittedly an arbitrary cutoff point).

I went back to 2015 (another arbitrary cutoff point) and looked at all the trades where a team knew they were trading away a top 10 pick. Here they are:

2021: The somewhat convoluted OEL/Garland's rights for a bunch of short term salary, the 9OA and a 2nd. Hard to really compare this given all the salary considerations and the wide variance in valuations on OEL.

2017: Stepan and Raanta for the 7OA and Deangelo. This was a great move by Gorton, despite the fact that his pick tanked and Deangelo was a cancer (which he was prior to the trade as well). Deangelo was a former first rounder, but he had been traded the year prior for a 2nd rounder and had red flags aplenty. Certainly Cat is much better than Stepan/Raanta but Stepan had cost certainty whereas Cat very much does not.

And thats it! Teams very very rarely trade away their picks that they know are going to be at the top of the draft.

The Seth Jones trade was 2 firsts but it was a known 12OA and the Hawks likely expected the 2022 pick to be in the middle of the 1st round (not 6OA).

The Duchene trade has to be one of the most convoluted and horrible trades and again, it wasn't known what pick OTT would be giving up.

The Karlsson trade that ended up with a 3OA had conditions that made it unlikely to be a high first (which was 2 years later) and included two seconds. This is probably the closest comparison (and its not all that close) to the Cat trade when you consider talent and contract (and even then TDL deals are different than draft day deals). As much as I love Cat and think hes a top 25 player, at the time, Karlsson was probably a top 10 or so player. And Cat's contract situation is more or less about one year behind where Karlsson's was at the time (given Cat's high QO). Maybe those two differences even each other out. And again, Karlsson netted only one first which was not expected to be a high pick.

So all in all, there really is very little precedent for teams trading away a known high first round pick, and no precedent for trading a known high first round pick and another first rounder.

I think we all just had unrealistic expectations.

I agree here.

 

[ploppsdman]

Kyle Davidson will not be around when this team is any good. Dude doesn't belong in his position. Might as well grab any newb from NHL 22 to be Blackhawks GM.

 

[Larmer83]

And towards the end of next season we could see our NCAA guys start to sign like Slaggert, Kaiser, Commesso, and Rolston.

With Vlasic getting a contract year burned, the Hawks need to do the same with Kaiser after 2022-23. Can they do that with a goalie like Commesso? Slaggert could stick around for his senior year as his dad is an asst coach at Notre Dame and his brother will be there for the 2023-24 season.

Ryan Greene joins Commesso at Boston University. Greene should get a decent amount of ice time as BU seems weak at the forward positions.

Big Ten hockey, specifically Michigan and Notre Dame, should be interesting viewing for Hawks fans. Most of the forward talent has shipped out of Michigan. Nazar should have a featured role... along with Adam Fantilli.

NCAA hockey viewing will be more interesting than the Hawks in 2022-23.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Just because I don't like Cat and have an unpopular opinion doesn't mean I'm a troll, so sit down!

You are without a doubt the worst poster on this board and that is not even hyperbole

 

[ColbyChaos]

would rather embrace the tank and be optimistic about building an elite core than be a middling team like minnesota for two decades...as long as they have a vision thats all that matters, we're lucky that the hawks have good ownership that will allow it to happen and allow them to spend the money again to win when its necessary

Being the 2010-17 Wings or the 2010s-Present Wild is the definition of being stuck in nowhere.

Even if things worked differently and the players and prospects exceeded expectations, even the most genuine homer would know there would be like 7 teams ahead of us still in terms of possibly winning a cup. Bowmans galaxy brain rebuild-retool-all in plans from 2018-2022 wasted the last 6 years

 

[ClydeLee]

would rather embrace the tank and be optimistic about building an elite core than be a middling team like minnesota for two decades...as long as they have a vision thats all that matters, we're lucky that the hawks have good ownership that will allow it to happen and allow them to spend the money again to win when its necessary

Had Bowman not been fired. The Hawks would be like the Flyers right now. Making odd additions and nonsense moves when nobody knows why. This is far better. Even though the on ice team will be awful. I for one think Kane is actually gonna stay still

 

[The Worst One]

You are without a doubt the worst poster on this board and that is not even hyperbole

I dig it.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

what is the over/under that Cat would only negotiate a long term extension with Chicago right now and that affected his return a lot...seems like he had his mind set on staying here long term and has no desire to be in Ottawa

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

what is the over/under that Cat would only negotiate a long term extension with Chicago right now and that affected his return a lot...seems like he had his mind set on staying here long term and has no desire to be in Ottawa

It seems the Hawks had no intention of paying him $10M to suck.

Once the Hawks were uninterested in a long-term deal, I think his focus shifted to UFA which hurt the return.

 

[WarLax]

what is the over/under that Cat would only negotiate a long term extension with Chicago right now and that affected his return a lot...seems like he had his mind set on staying here long term and has no desire to be in Ottawa

Outside of copium...I'm going on hopium with this one....KD to the Cat "let us bottom out completely for 2 years and we will welcome you back as our captain when we begin to climb up."

HOPIUMMMMMMMM.

 

[hockeydoug]

I never liked the idea of Kane and Cat on premier cap hits but I was very underwhelmed with the return. I'm okay with trading Cat and I don't think his value was ever going to be higher than it was on Thursday. Maybe they could have gotten a little more, but I certainly think they begin to get less after Thursday night.

I hope he has a great career.

 

[hawksrule]

This is not how you rebuild, give away 3 1sts for Jones but can’t get 2 1sts for Cat? Lol what is wrong with these people? This is truly pathetic.

Davidson should have gotten more, but that delta is smaller than the difference between what should have been paid for Jones and what actually was paid. One can’t overstate how badly Bowman f***ed this club over.

 

[x Tame Impala]

After that stupid ass phone call being recorded I'd love to see Cat sign here after his contract is up. Capitalize (kind of) on his trade value and then re-sign him in two years after we're hopefully headed out of the gutter

 

[Kevin Musto]

After that stupid ass phone call being recorded I'd love to see Cat sign here after his contract is up. Capitalize (kind of) on his trade value and then re-sign him in two years after we're hopefully headed out of the gutter

Hopefully we can bring Strome back too

 

[Mrfenn92]

Don’t like the trade probably never will. But I will say this Davidson did just rip the band aid off for better or worse.

 

[Northernhawk]

Well it’s being reported DeBrincat not interested in resigning with Ottawa...our return for him doesn’t seem too shabby now...7th overall, 39th overall and a 2024 3rd rounder(anywhere between 65th and 96th) which is exactly what the Hawks were in line to get for a player making $6.4 million compensation wise...now if the Sens decide not to match a offer sheet they’ll receive a better package but I’m fine with what the Hawks got now...have a looksee...

Well it’s being reported DeBrincat not interested in resigning with Ottawa...our return for him doesn’t seem too shabby now...7th overall, 39th overall and a 2024 3rd rounder(anywhere between 65th and 96th) which is exactly what the Hawks were in line to get for a player making $6.4 million compensation wise...now if the Sens decide not to match a offer sheet they’ll receive a better package but I’m fine with what the Hawks got now...have a looksee...

Kevin Korchinski
Paul Ludwinski
2014 3rd rounder

 

[Kevin Musto]

Well it’s being reported DeBrincat not interested in resigning with Ottawa...our return for him doesn’t seem too shabby now...7th overall, 39th overall and a 2024 3rd rounder(anywhere between 65th and 96th) which is exactly what the Hawks were in line to get for a player making $6.4 million compensation wise...now if the Sens decide not to match a offer sheet they’ll receive a better package but I’m fine with what the Hawks got now...have a looksee...


Kevin Korchinski
Paul Ludwinski
2014 3rd rounder

All I've heard is that he won't sign an extension now because he's waiting to see how he fits on the team and if he (and his wife) likes it in Ottawa.

So it's not a foregone conclusion that he's leaving.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Yeah, I haven't seen anywhere saying that he doesn't want to re-sign, just people speculating because it's Ottawa.

 

[BobbyJet]

All I've heard is that he won't sign an extension now because he's waiting to see how he fits on the team and if he (and his wife) likes it in Ottawa.

So it's not a foregone conclusion that he's leaving.

I think Ottawa is on the right track to becoming a respectable franchise and the city is quite nice. If I was a betting man, I'd say Cat stays.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

I can't blame a guy for wanting to take a wait and see approach to Ottawa.